Viessmann Plant in China

HP

Viessmann Plant in China

Please feel free to contact me directly if you have any questions regarding Viessmann:

Harald Prell,
President, North America,
Viessmann Manufacturing Company Inc.,
750 McMurray Road,
Waterloo, ON N2V 2G5
Canada

Telephone: 1-800-387-7373 or (519) 885-6300
Fax: (519) 885-0887
Email: HP@viessmann.com

Maine Doug_70

Interesting new

email address you have.

Paul Pollets

Harald is Real...

Believe him...he's the real deal! He'll translate the post in German, if you want...;)



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P.T. Burnham

Question for Mr.Viessmann

Will you significantly lower the cost of your products since they are made in China with labor rates that are 1/10 of those in Germany? Shouldn't you pass on the savings? You could drastically increase sales, isn't that what it's all about?

Tom

Constantin

Consider how many folk have been impersonated on this site

Here we have an alleged ex-employee who makes a number of semi-plausible-sounding claims... yet who just happens to pop up for the first time on this thread. Too good to be true, Google to the rescue.

Given that the text above was plagiarized almost verbatim from a report on Nike, I suggest you redirect your anger and indignation towards the person that did a replace and find on that document. An apology to the Wall and Viessmann in particular may be appropriate too. That is, if you're any more real than Zou.

Cheers!

Jim_64

Aren't you due...

for yet another fishing trip at Viessmann's expense?

Perhaps the next one might be in the China Sea?

Send us a post card.

Jim_64

Better yet

Would you ask the insipid union you pander to in the Deutsch-werke to act like real workers - instead of drones?

They're a helluva drain on our image and obscene production costs. We in engineering, design the very best, only to be thrown under the bus by the werkers.

Danke

Constantin

Lügen haben kurze Beine

Herr Prell,

Isn't it interesting how many people believe anything they read on the internet, as long as it reinforces whatever prejudices they had? After a quick Google, it became obvious that "Zou" was a figment of the imagination and that his descriptions of the Viessmann plant was a badly fabricated lie (see post above)

So, thank you for your posts clarifying what Viessmann does, and does not do, in China. Unfortunately, some people won't believe facts because they have already made their minds up. However, I do hope that those who did post under real identities criticizing your company will step up to the plate and apologize for their undeserved condemnation of Viessmann.

Lastly, I hope that those who posted under false identities to knowingly slander a manufacturer or fellow Wallie to just go away and stop harassing those who want to have an intelligent and informed discussion.

hootananny

And it is

hard to understand why manufactures have slowly stopped posting on this site?

hooter

hootananny

Ken,

clean your cookies out. you are mixed up with anudder fellow!

Hooter

Derheatmeister

Constantin,Wo bist du her ? Richard von Heatmeister.

Derheatmeister

Did you read everything?? they said that the product stays in China/ germany NOT FOR YOU!

Constantin

Here's a hint that should be pretty obvious:

Kölle Allaaf...

Derheatmeister

Which "American" Boiler do you recommend?

Maine Doug_70

Weiberfastnacht in Köln

Ya?

Bruce M

To Allt the Brave Fraudulent Posters

Yes, you know who you are. All the cowards who post using phony names. Let's see you post using your real names. You are quick to make false accusations but slow to apologize. With that type of moral compass I can imagine the work ethic you have and the quality of your work product. I am sure you will not use your real names because you have no courage. Feel free to attack me using your phony names.

Timco

Any other site I post on be it a bonsai site or a shooting forum, I had to have my membership approved and follow a link. With all these fake posters, might this be a good idea? Would that not stop them?

Tim

PeterGriffin

On my car forums

we have a saying for threads like this:


IB4TL

Derheatmeister

Heizungs fritze for koelle ? Ich bin von der Bad Homburger gegent(Heimat von der Horex)Wie bekomme ich die Umlaute wie du,das ist cool ,Computer von der heimat? Richard von Heatmeister. Do not worry we are not Talking anything bad! Just some Native tongue between german wetheads that like Viessmann . HM.

Rick_75

I apologize to all

For all of us, Hermann, Kelly, Bill Baker, Ex-chinese worker Zou, Kim and P.T Burnham. Viessmann and their weak USA sales are the greatest. I am going to China to apologize to every chinese person and all the Viessmann employees who I am sure make top wages under great conditions. Thank you

Constantin

Hi Richard,

I don't work directly in the trade, I'm just a homeowner who happens to take an unusual interest in his heating system. In work life, I mainly deal with manufacturing issues, i.e. what does it cost to make something, should someone buy a factory or not, how to optimize manufacturing lines, etc.

As for the Umlauts, I use a Mac, so it's pretty simple: Press CTRL-U to indicate to the computer that you are about to type a letter with an Umlaut, then type the vowel you want the Umlaut over. On the PC-side, I've always had to use the character map, since I don't know the shortcut over there.

trevor pierce, London Boiler Service

amazing

I can't believe the slander here! Viessmann has a sales office in Canada, This is where Harald Prell is, yes he is a real person! Viessmann also does manufacture some of their boilers here, the ones for North America! They are selling boilers in China, and also manufacture some of the boilers for China in China, what could possibly be the problem with the good people in China getting the same treatment from Viessmann as we do? And the factory described by that post doesn't sound like the small assembly plants Viessmann has in other contries! Here the assembly consists of a few people"like 5" assembling small cast iron boilers, no foundry, or sheer, or any equipment that could be dangerous! And the place is very very clean, I mean spottless! And the people who work there seem to have been the same people for a long time! I would assume the "plant" in China would be the same! I have dealt with Viessmann for a long time, I deal with them because of quality, enviromental concerns and the companies ethics are with the highest! When a customer calls me for a quotation I only bid on Viessmann products! And for the 5% comment, hay, I only get about 5% of what I bid on, and I'm happy with this, I will do the best job I can do with the best products I can get and when the customers see me they cross the street to tell me how happy they are! I'm in the top 5%, I'm happy here, I dont have to cut corners, I don't compete for jobs, I can do a good job, and you know there is many companys out there to service the lower 95%, which is OK, I really don't want it, and just maybe Viessmann doesn't want it also! My freind, you don't understand, it isnt all about sales and volume! Its about quality, honesty, and being a good corporate citizen, I'm sure Viessmann makes plenty of money all around the world that 5% here isnt any concern at all! Thank You P.S. I'm real also!

Steve Ebels_3

I wish

I wish people would stick to what this site is about. Namely sharing information and tips, educating, and of course the camaraderie most of us enjoy here.

It is not intended to be a place to bash a manufacturer you have a grudge against........or maybe are jealous of.

It's not intended to be a place where you can openly make false and libelous statements about a company for whatever childish reason you may have.

Adults who act like adults and show a modicum of respect for their fellow man, even if/when you disagree with them are always welcome.

I have met Harald. He's the kind of guy you would like for a next door neighbor. He is committed to the Viessmann company philosophy which is, to build the best product they can, provide the best level of service they can and to exceed their customers expectations. After interacting with the company for the last 6-7 years, they succeed in doing so with monotonous regularity.

So.......if your (and you know who you are) intent is to slam Viessmann please go somewhere else. Who knows, maybe someone will actually take you seriously and believe what you are saying. Too many good contractors here have nothing but good things to say about the Viessmann boiler company. Their actions in nearly all cases speak much louder than words.

John_173

Mr. Ebels

This is the second time in the past few days you have weighed in with modest, calm language. Thanks.

I don't know you from Adam's housecat, but I owe you a beer.

Maybe a nice pint of Guinness, or a (domestic) Sam Adams.

Thanks again.

trevor pierce, London Boiler Service

Mr Ebels

You are right! I have found most of the Viessmann staff in Waterloo very committed! I have taken all the training Viessmann offers and a large part of my committment to them is from meeting the staff! People only become committed this much by working for a good company! I can say from experience that they will spend many hours of time helping contractors, and home/building owners! Even when problems are no fault of their own, they will still come to the sight to help out! Thank You!

Constantin

You can't stop it, just slow it.

Dan has indicated before that any changes to the Wall would be very costly. You could go the route of OilTechTalk and require a challenge-response before anyone gets an account. But that also discourages people from posting in the first place.

You could post the IP address with every post, which would give a pretty good hint where the post comes from... right up to the point where the bad guys discover proxy servers or Torr networks.

Any additional functionality that is added here will not only require an investment in code money, it may also require someone to work full-time to administer the site so that it stays responsive and fun. I don't know if Dan can or wants to make that sort of investment. It's his site, his decision.

That said, I can see why more and more manufacturers are opening up their own forums or use e-mail to converse with customers instead of replying out in the open on independent boards where they can get slandered endlessly by folk with an agenda. This is a shame, IMO, because a lot of the value of the Wall is based on how it brings all sorts of people together, from suppliers to end-users.

joel_19

buy american dudes

Hey guys could you please stop the rehtoric and come up with facts!!! There are many AMERICAN companies investing in China. China will soon be the biggest auto market in the world. Buick's #1 sales outside the U.S. is China!!! so should GM not build plants there to make cars 4 China?? Should American companies just ignore China not support that market and instead leave it to the japanese??

What if a large American boiler company is bought by a Chinese company will you not buy that product??

So Viessmann builds a China plant to support growth in China and this is bad because?????

Would you feel the same way if an AMERICAN boiler company had a China plant to support that market??

Seeing as this is the BIGGEST future market in the world wouldn't you WANT your favorite boiler company to compete in the potentially biggest market on the planet. HELLO

Will you not buy a ford after Honda takes them over (a very real possability).

come on guys get with the program it's a global market place wether you like it or not.

Bob Gagnon plumbing and heating

Joel

I'm not saying American companies shouldn't invest in China, I'm simply saying I support American Companies by buying American made products where ever I can. Keeping the money in this country lowers the trade deficit and keeps jobs in this country. If my boiler manufacturer started to manufacture in China, to lower cost, and shipped those boilers back here, I would find a different boiler manufacturer. I have always tried to buy American and I always will.

Signed again, The proud to be a "Buy American Dude"

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Bruce M

Factories Closing in China

Within the next several months it is estimated that 10,000 factories in China will be closing. China is no longer the lowest cost producer and jobs are moving to Indonesia and Vietnam. Is anyone aware that Buick sells more different car models in China than they do in North America? In China Buick is considered a prestige car. By the way, I always wear socks and underwear made in the U.S. Is there anybody else that can say that?

Bob Gagnon plumbing and heating

I can't say that

I never wear underwear... probably too much info. Bob

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Constantin

Gentlemen,

At the end of the day, it's about consumer choice. We're fortunate to have a big list of suppliers to choose from for boilers, fittings, etc. One person may prefer Brand X over Brand Y, for whatever reason. However, the good news is that we have a choice. The more suppliers we have in the marketplace, the more likely it is for consumers to get a good deal, good quality, etc. as suppliers compete for their share of the market. Thus, I believe that US boiler customers have benefited from having foreign competitors to choose amongst.

Furthermore, I wager that most mod-cons "made in the USA" contain an impressive amount of purchased parts that are sourced from abroad. This is not a bad thing, it simply reflects the economies of scale that make apparently Giannini the source of choice for stainless heat exchangers, Dungs for gas valves, EBM/Pabst for blowers, Honeywell for controls, etc. Some US manufacturers may even simply rebadge an existing EU product after shepherding it through the 110VAC conversion and UL/ETL approval process.

So I am happy that Biasi, Buderus, deDetrich, Monitor, Solaia, Viessmann, etc. have brought their wares to the US market - they pushed the market, expanding the universe of boiler choice significantly. Similarly, EU customers benefit from US exports like planes, chips, software, etc. for which similar nationalist reasons could be raised to deny them from foreign markets.

In closing, I'd prefer this site to focus on the issues that it was created for, i.e. discussing heating issues, not as a means for folk to take jabs at each other. I respect Joel and Bob, I hope that they can share a pint of a suitable beverage to forget this spat.

joel_19

Bob

Hey no argument from me I'm just saying that those that are bashing a German company for investing in China while at the same time american companies are doing the same thing is just plain silly.

Steve Ebels_3

John

Thanks for the kind words.

If our paths ever cross and we get the opportunity to toss back a jar, I'm letting it be known that I've become quite partial to Sam Adams Winter Lager as of late.

Ted_5

I was in China

at the plant where they make Broad chillers. I was very impressed with the place! The 3 days we were there, they had guys cleaning the outside of the buildings and a guy that was carefully grooming the lawn. After all of the workers ate lunch at the companies kitchen they gave them an additional hour to take a Knapp. That's right, a Knapp! All of the workers lived on site in dorms, like at a collage. I do not know what they got paid or what goes on behind closed doors, but we did not see any poor working conditions or people hanging by their thumbs. At night they had a small night club for the workers. They could get food, drink beer, dance, and sing Karaoke poorly there. What we got out of this trip was a good impression of a quality made product. One day we did get out side the factory grounds and you could see many places that looked not so good! pollution was very bad! They sky always had a blue haze to it. We went shopping looking for cheap electronics to buy, but not so cheap! We found prices to be very close to what we pay here. I am sure there are plenty of plants in China that do not have as good as conditions, but I was just reporting what I saw.

Ted