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In Denver, there's a nice high fuel mileage Camry, and my work jeep.

Up at the ranch, there's a 20' Lowe pontoon boat, with a 1990 tug (Ford Bronco) attached, and occasionally, the Camry and the jeep.

Next door, over at Sominex Hollow, there's a 1960 Montgomery Ward fiberglass boat (all electric), a 20' canoe, and my most recent personal water craft, a one man pontoon raft, WITH an electric trolling motor on it.

In these days of global warming and carbon footprint awareness, I suppose I should feel guilty, but due to the fact that my realestate empire stretches over 150 miles from end to end, it (the carbon foot print) is spread WAY out, so I don't feel as guilty. Besides, the new dwelling I'm building up there will be zero net energy...

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  • leo g_13
    leo g_13 Member Posts: 435
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    Just realized today

    As I was pulling out of my driveway in my new Ford F150, I realized that the other 2 vehicles we own are; 1 chev 2500HD work van, and 1 Dodge Caravan.

    I started laughing that we owned a vehicle from each of the (use to be) BIG THREE!

    Leo G

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  • Darrell
    Darrell Member Posts: 303
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    Well, let me take a look...it changes from time to time!

    My work van, a 2006 Chevy Express that I bought in January and already have 15,000 miles on it.

    The family vehicle, a 1999 Chevy Suburban with 115,000 miles on it. We just bought it to replace the '88 Suburban with 295,000 miles...that is still going strong but not pretty enough for Mama to drive.

    My youngest son is driving an '91 Chevy S-10 Blazer with 300,000 miles back and forth to high school and work. In fact, all three kids have diven it to school.

    We have a "spare" '93 Chevy S-10 Blazer with 150, 000 miles on it...the engine is hammering pretty bad in that one...we'll drop in a new engine and go for 300,000 with it while my yougest daughter goes to high school. Or maybe we'll send it to Wisconsin with my son for College.

    My other son, the apprentice, bought a Chevy half-ton pick up used...100K plus...driving and grinning.

    My other daughter broke ranks and bought a used Jeep Grand Cherokee...also 100K plus...she loves it.

    There are some assorted spare parts rigs out back...but they're not officially in the drive way!


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  • Rocky_3
    Rocky_3 Member Posts: 232
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    The gamut

    One ford 2002 F-150, one 2006 Mercury Montego, One 1996 Polaris XLT snow mobile (we call them snowmachines up here, but no one in the lower 48 would know what you meant by snowmachine instead of snowmobile), one 1998 Sea-Do, One 1997 Suzuki 250 dirt bike, and one 2007 Jetcraft Extreme Shallow jet boat (the Anti-work!).
    Regards,
    Rocky
  • jim_138
    jim_138 Member Posts: 1
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    Wow Darrel why dont you break down and buy somethin new. My wife would never drive a old truck like that.
  • PeterGriffin
    PeterGriffin Member Posts: 79
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    I'm a blacksheep...



    4 Volkswagens and an E-250 :p

    2005 Passat Tdi (1200kms on 55l)
    1989 Jetta GTX (the cruiser)
    1981 Scirocco (rusty)
    1981 Scirocco (undergoing surgery)
    2001 E-250

  • Darrell
    Darrell Member Posts: 303
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    Oh, we've kept Mama in nice looking cars, until recently she was driving the '93 S-10 Blazer which she really liked. But, the sick engine and some other circumstances which were handed to us dictated the choice for the '99 Suburban. My wife knows that her turn is coming, and is sporting enough to wait for it...she's a keeper.

    I've had new cars in the driveway...but, there was one day when they tried to repo the family vehicle...and we swore that we would never be in that position again.

    I have friends that have never bought new tires...they trade their cars instead. Good for them...just different ways of going about the same task.

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  • mtfallsmikey
    mtfallsmikey Member Posts: 765
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    Not a bad collection!

    One of my friends and I were just discussing VW Siroccos just the other day. Haven't seen one in a long time, may be a good collector car for the future. I have 1989 Ford F-150, 153K, 97 Accord, 216K (everyday commuter car, 144 mi. round trip daily!) 95 Cherokee, 72' Cutlass Supreme ragtop, 66 Jeep J3000 pickup with 7' snowblade.
  • ScottMP
    ScottMP Member Posts: 5,884
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    Lets see

    When I got home last night there was ...

    Four razor scooter, a plastic ramp for jumping, two skate boards ( one small ), two bicycles, a hunk of rope, three bricks and three children all riding on a plastic ATV.

    There's two cars in thier somewhere. A 98 jeep wrangler, A 94 BMW station wagon and I drive a 05 Grand Cheerokee.

    Scott

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  • Maine Doug_64
    Maine Doug_64 Member Posts: 27
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    Well in my parking lot

    in Maine, just my neighbor's cars. In Baltimore a new Wrangler Unlimited 4 door Jeep replacing the little red Wrangler. Redrock paint with pearl.
    No more trucks since I stopped doing stained glass retail. Switching to transom windows so large sheets of glass are not necessary and my little box trailer has a glass rack in it. The new 4dr Jeep is cool.
  • DanHolohan
    DanHolohan Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 16,526
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    If you ask Mad Dog,

    he'll say PEX. ;-)
    Retired and loving it.
  • Paul Fredricks_3
    Paul Fredricks_3 Member Posts: 1,557
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    Well there's the '02 chevy van that really belongs to work.

    We have a '96 Suburban with 100,000 on it. We only use it occasionally and for big trips with the camper. We drop the middle seat, bungee a 9"tv/vcr to it, the kids sit in the rear seats with a cooler, sleeping bags, head phones and the remote. On the big trips, the silence is deafening.

    There is also an '02 Subaru WRX, in juvenile blue. This used to be my car. I think it is now my wife's. I can tell because it is full of sale coupons, tag sale sections from the news paper, water bottles and packs of rice cakes. She says it's still mine, but I think she's humoring me.
  • bill nye_3
    bill nye_3 Member Posts: 307
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    My Driveway

    I drive a 2003 Chevrolet 3500 Van 80K miles, belongs to my employer. I have 4 oldsmobiles, a creampuff 1986 Cutlass , was a one owner car. I traded a boiler job for it.

    I have a 1985 442 parts car and a 1987 Cutlass supreme parts car. Any day now I expect the neighbors to complain. I have a 1978 Olds Cutlass Supreme that is getting prepared for drag racing. Big Block Chevy power.

    I just got a 1990 Crew Cab Duallie Chevy pick up with a 7.4 ltr 454 for a tow vehicle. Got rid of my 20004 2500hd chev bonus cab. The ' 90 has no payments and the tax and insurance is much cheaper.

    The wife has 2005 Camry. The first non-GM car I have ever owned. Can't complain about the mpg's. Well maybe I had a VW when I was in highschool.
  • Tom Quatroni
    Tom Quatroni Member Posts: 6
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    My truck is a 2004 Escalade ext pickup 72000 miles. My wife drives a BMW X5 4.8si. Really fast. My Lexus 400 has transported my kids to Florida for 7 years of college (2 kids there). My daughter drives a Ford Taurus & sells Hondas go figure.
  • joel_19
    joel_19 Member Posts: 931
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    eclectic

    > My truck is a 2004 Escalade ext pickup 72000

    > miles. My wife drives a BMW X5 4.8si. Really

    > fast. My Lexus 400 has transported my kids to

    > Florida for 7 years of college (2 kids there). My

    > daughter drives a Ford Taurus & sells Hondas go

    > figure.



    I hate driving what everyone else has

    Personal: Mitubishi 2001 Montero Limited, 1983 datsun 280ZX 2+2 turbo (76k miles)and a 1991 300ZX 2+2 (36k miles)Snowmachine 4strk Yamaha Vector,no smell and quiet to Make Mark Eatherton happy.

    Company: 04 Nisan Titan CC, 07 Tundra CC, Two Freightliners Sprinters, chevy 3500 Spartan body dually, Mitsubishi CC with 14 Spartan, Ford E 250, Chevy 1500exspress,Toyota T-100.

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  • SVDW
    SVDW Member Posts: 80
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    2004 Crysler Pacifica, 1999 Ford F-150, 1989 Dodge 100 "Yard Truck" & snowplow, 31' Travel Trailer that makes the F-150 grunt a little.
  • [Deleted User]
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    \"99 Durango &

    '04 Dakota. Company - '05 Town & Country, '06 Caravan, '06 Sprinter, & behind the shed a fully equipped '05 Astro Van -waiting for a good tech. Better half loves to run the Sprinter up to the local diesel purveyor. Something about mingling w/ guys who have big rigs.
  • Ray Landry_3
    Ray Landry_3 Member Posts: 94
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    I've got a 2007 ranger sport, the wife's got a 96 chevy lumina, for toys I've got a 2003 Buell XB9R and a 2005 KTM 525 dirt bike. For the work truck I have a 2005 sprinter with a spartan cube body, which because of it's weight can't get out of it's own way

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  • Plumdog_2
    Plumdog_2 Member Posts: 873
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    Looking to swap

    We have a '98 Subaru Legacy wagon (a real gem for winter); a 2001 Chevy Venture Van; a '94 Suburban, a '98 Ford E150 van; and my personal parts runner, the '82 Porsche 911 (26 mpg and 145 mph). I would entertain swapping the Suburban for a '72 Cutlass Ragtop. She's a beauty, Clark. Never seen salt; two owners. Can deliver to East coast free.
  • TJ_5
    TJ_5 Member Posts: 71
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    My driveway

    2006 Ford E450 16' box work truck. 2001 Ford Expedition, pair of arctic cat t-660's for winter fun and 26' camper for summer time off
  • Paul Fredricks_3
    Paul Fredricks_3 Member Posts: 1,557
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    Wow

    We sure do have some gas guzzlers, don't we. I have to take out a loan to fill the 42 gallon tank in the Suburban. Luckily, we don't drive it too often.
  • Mad Dog!!!!!!!!
    Mad Dog!!!!!!!! Member Posts: 157
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    Old cars

    1990 Toyota Camry (Was my mom's car); 1992 Jeep Cherokee; 1995 Grand Cherokee. Mad Dog
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    Lessee...

    90 Plymouth Acclaim - the beater - really did belong to a little old lady who just drove it to the store and church -
    I think it just turned over 87,000.

    90 E150 - the piping truck - mostly rebuilt for heavy hauling - has a "towing" cam and other good stuff, runs like a bear and will climb a wall. Requires premium. Ouch.

    95 F150 XLT - has hauled many a boiler, furnace, condenser and air handler - still near mint - gets detailed a couple times a year.

    01 E250 - The service van - keeps popping them damn sparkplug power pack things - $140 a wack plus labor. (insert foul expletives here)

    05 Monte - the wife's car - gets the only spot in the only garage so it probably doesn't count. She wouldn't let me take it the other day. Ouch again.

    ;)
  • Steamhead (in transit)
    Steamhead (in transit) Member Posts: 6,688
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    Three vehicles:

    Work Van: 02 GMC Safari, just over 100,000 miles;

    97 Ford Ranger with cap, just over 143,000... 4 cylinder, stickshift, gets almost 30 MPG on long trips. Second Ranger I've owned, couldn't bring myself to trade it in when I got the van;

    The Lovely Naoko drives the 95 Taurus that we got from my parents- great car, they had trouble getting in and out of it. That one's up to 90,000 miles or so. I had the struts and springs updated when we got it, now it's much less mushy and a lot more controllable.

    All great-running vehicles and bodies in great shape. I really think they build them better these days. They're also paid for!

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  • Randy_25
    Randy_25 Member Posts: 21
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    Well we have a 2001 3500 Desiel Exprees work van, a 2003 Dodge Caravan, and a 1928 Model A Ford
  • Ted_9
    Ted_9 Member Posts: 1,718
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    Big gas guzzlers

    Well for work I have a 2002 Chevy Express 3500(It drinks alot of gas. I wish there were vans that were good on gas, like in Europe and Asia. I can't afford a $35,000 Sprinter.).

    My wife drives a 2006 Jeep Liberty Limited (nice and does well on gas despite the reviews).

    I used to drive VW New Beetle. I used that for looking at estimates and any chance I didn't need to drive the van.

    It's sad to see how many of us drive vehicles that consume so much gas. Yet we preach energy savings to our customers.

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  • joel_19
    joel_19 Member Posts: 931
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    Ted

    I agree about the gas usage thing but the fact remains that we need vehicles big enough to do the work.

    We bought a crew cab Mitsubishi this truck has seats for seven and typically gets 12MPG. This has eliminated us from sending two or three regular vans to the same job as everyone can fit in one truck. So our fuel usage is 1/2 to 1/3 of what it previously was.

    Regarding the Sprinters ours are dual whl and in summer return 20MPG slightly less in cold. A typical 3500 gas van gets 10-12. The first month our service guy had his Sprinter his gas bill was about 300$ less. Easilly covering the difference in the payment between it and a regular van.

    It's raining today,can't get anything done around the house. A perfect day to go car shopping if your spending 700-800 a month on your gas service vans i'd suggest you go trade them in for Sprinters today.

    Me i'm seriously considering a Hybrid or Diesel Jetta and leaving the Titan parked most of the time. I believe Gary Wilson bought a Prius would love to hear him chime in about how customers have reacted to it.

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  • tim smith
    tim smith Member Posts: 2,752
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    Hybrids

    > I agree about the gas usage thing but the fact

    > remains that we need vehicles big enough to do

    > the work.

    >

    > We bought a crew cab Mitsubishi this

    > truck has seats for seven and typically gets

    > 12MPG. This has eliminated us from sending two or

    > three regular vans to the same job as everyone

    > can fit in one truck. So our fuel usage is 1/2 to

    > 1/3 of what it previously was.

    >

    > Regarding the

    > Sprinters ours are dual whl and in summer return

    > 20MPG slightly less in cold. A typical 3500 gas

    > van gets 10-12. The first month our service guy

    > had his Sprinter his gas bill was about 300$

    > less. Easilly covering the difference in the

    > payment between it and a regular van.

    >

    > It's

    > raining today,can't get anything done around the

    > house. A perfect day to go car shopping if your

    > spending 700-800 a month on your gas service vans

    > i'd suggest you go trade them in for Sprinters

    > today.

    >

    > Me i'm seriously considering a Hybrid

    > or Diesel Jetta and leaving the Titan parked most

    > of the time. I believe Gary Wilson bought a Prius

    > would love to hear him chime in about how

    > customers have reacted to it.

    >

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    Check out the toyota camry hybrid. Nice looking car. I am thinking of getting rid of the 1996 explorer and going to something like this. What I really would like is the Tesla sports car. A bit out of reach although!!
  • tim smith
    tim smith Member Posts: 2,752
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    Hybrids

    Check out the toyota camry hybrid. Nice looking car. I am thinking of getting rid of the 1996 explorer and going to something like this. What I really would like is the Tesla sports car. A bit out of reach although!!
  • Steamhead (in transit)
    Steamhead (in transit) Member Posts: 6,688
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    Sprinters

    Joel, how reliable have yours been? I ask this because Chrysler products are not known for their reliability, and we all know down-time for repairs can be very costly.....

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  • joel_19
    joel_19 Member Posts: 931
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    sprinters

    They are not a Chrysler product they are a Mercedes product,they are built in Germany and shipped here in pieces and then reassembled. That said they are not like a Benz of yesteryear which go for a kazillion miles with nary a wimper. Ours are 03's and have had problems related to the emmisions controlls that had to be modified for the U.S. later years have a different set up which i've heard is better. They have an appetite for front brakes but they are remarkably easy to work on. We can change pads in less than an hr. The chassis are very strong one has over 75 k miles and is sqeak and rattle free. front end is tight.

    one had aproblem with the main wiring harness it would die in realy monsoon type rains. looking at the harness you could see it was clearly modded and redone probaly for our emmissions requirements. Also i believe a first year issue. Everything has been covered by warranty even though the waranty was technically up,so that has been impressive.

    their drivabilty and overall design is second to none. However i was hopeing for more Japanese type reliabilty. Over all though it's no worse than the American vehicles we own. Dream service van = A Sprinter copied by Toyota coupling the Mercedes Diesel with a Toyota Hybrid drivetrain.

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    Chrysler, Mercedez whatever,

    I`m just happy to still be able to work and get around, health wise. All these guys I see in my area with "fancy" new vehicles owe banks a fortune, and get "plant work" until a management change, then they go bankrupt, and start again in the residential market to screw us "regular-guys" up!
    I agree that "prestige" is one thing, but workmanship is something else.

    Dave
  • Uni R_2
    Uni R_2 Member Posts: 589
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    Diesel Accord might be a better option...

    The next generation Accord coming this fall is supposed to include a diesel (and Honda is supposedly only keeping the Civic hybrid). In my mind, it's a far better solution than lugging umpteen hundred pounds of battery around with you that are gonna make some cars a definite liability as they age beyond the warranty period.
  • Andrew Hagen_2
    Andrew Hagen_2 Member Posts: 236
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    Diesel

    The lack of available diesel cars in the US is frustrating as I am recently looking at increasing my commute substantially. The VW Jetta is the only car I know of, and newer used models are very difficult to find, particularly with manual transmissions.

    When I was a kid, my parents had an Olds Ninety-Eight 5.7L Diesel that got over 30mpg. I'm sure that car weighed over 5000lbs. I believe it had nearly 300,000 miles when they got rid of it.
  • Maine Ken
    Maine Ken Member Posts: 531
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    VW Jetta TDI

    My wife get almost 50mpg with her TDI wagon. Illegal to sell in Maine now!!!! Used OK, new have to go out of state to buy!!!

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  • Jamie Hall
    Jamie Hall Member Posts: 23,313
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    Well...

    The Chevy '94 K2500 work/tow truck, and the horse trailer that goes with it. The '70 C10 long bed step side I can't bear to part with. Mom's '97 Saturn wagon. My '04 Honda Hybrid. And the '51 Ferguson TO-20 tractor... rest of the stuff's out behind the barn instead of in front of it!
    Br. Jamie, osb
    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England
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    Heard that Jamie,

    some of us do the best we can, ya know? Wish I had a horseshoe up my butt.

    Dave
  • Maine Doug_64
    Maine Doug_64 Member Posts: 27
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    I have to laugh

    at some of the rules we have in Maine.
    Can't have a fuel stingy car but can have lots of very over weight trucks that get as little as possible work on the engines and drivetrains. Can't have new business but can burn coal in old power plants. Most towns and cities have minimal sometimes no sewage treatment but must have no rusted fenders on cars to pass inspection.
    Sometimes you have to wonder how they think in Augsta. No wait, that's the problem, they don't.
    In MD it costs 90 bucks a year to register the Jeep. In ME in my town, it cost $450- that's correct, four hundred and fifty.
  • Uni R_2
    Uni R_2 Member Posts: 589
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    Low Sulfur and technology to the rescue...

    Consider it a temporary inconvenience for having much healthier diesels. The new generation ultra green diesels are THAT much better for the air. The other ones won't be missed by urban and even not so urban lungs. I'm looking forward to the new Accord diesel. We have a 2000 Accord - 4cyl 5spd - and gets mileage that makes any sized Mazda look like a fuel hog. All the Accord qualities but with a range extended beyond all hybrids in real world including winter conditions and long drives and not merely trying to lever on the gasoline engine in stop and go traffic. There is no reason you can't apply hybrid technology to diesels but that 30% better mileage doesn't leave as much room for savings to cover the much higher cost and they'd run all winter.

    Firemen really worry about hybrid cars when doing rescues. Over 200 volts with enough current capacity to do major damage to a rescuer. They are worried about losing track of where the harnesses on these can be located for different models. Anyway, I give points to simpler solutions for things that need to be durable and trustworthy in the long run.

    Tier 2 Bin 5 emission levels will be so much better for the environment, and diesel still has a 30% advantage in range for the same sized tank although the new Mercedes uses a replaceable supply of urea or something strange and the Accord uses almost a kWh of current for the plasma its technology uses - it probably trades a percent or two range decrease in range and in return takes monumental strides to clean up the exhaust emissions of noxious gases and particulates.
  • ALH_4
    ALH_4 Member Posts: 1,790
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    question

    I haven't heard whether pickups are exempted from these regulations or not. I assume they are because I see new diesel pickups on lots, but there are no diesel cars available for 2007. So the smallest contributors, 50mpg cars, get tougher regulations while 15-mpg diesel 3/4 and 1-ton pickups slip by. I, for one, see probably 1,000 diesel pickups for every diesel car.

    I wonder how much the price of diesel cars will increase with the new regulations?
  • Uni R_2
    Uni R_2 Member Posts: 589
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    The recent increase...

    Doesn't the recent increase more or less go back to about the point where they introduced low-sulfur? Let's see 112,500 - 114,500 btus per gallon vs whatever #2 heating fuel oil is... That's about 25% more BTUs per gallon compared to regular gas. If the price is less than 25-30% more it's no deal for long haulers. I still cannot see any big rigs switching to gasoline, and the trucking engines companies will take advantage of the cleaner burning fuel. They'll still prefer to add range than to reduce emissions - here's a case where government should reflect the people's long range needs.
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