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Mark Hunt
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I have never run across an Endurance so I have never tested one. If the ports on the Endurance are very small, you may just need a reducing coupling to get from your tube size down to whatever size port the Endurance has.
Are you planning on going back to this job?
If so, please post your test results on start-up and shut-down.
The unit is over-fired.
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Are you planning on going back to this job?
If so, please post your test results on start-up and shut-down.
The unit is over-fired.
Mark H
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Sound like gas pressure???
Here's some #'s for y'all...
Teledyne/Laars Endurance (EDP-175)
Eff.....82.2%
Ex air..23.7%
Stack t.367*
pri t...64.7*
O2......4.4% CO2.....9.3%
CO......123ppm
CO AF...156ppm
draft....05wc
No blockage of the air intake. Is there an adapter for the gas press check tube on the Fyrite? These were tiny ports, inlet & manifold.
T
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It's overfired
O2 under 6%, CO over 100ppm, High flue gas temp.
Overfired.
Which Fyrite do you have?
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pro, 125.Just a guy running some pipes.0 -
Yes...I will be going back and will post the start and shutdown numbers. The gas valve has 2 tiny screws on the face marked in and out. Certainly not the same size that are on my WM. I have an email in to TL and asked whether those are indeed the test ports.
Thanks a million...
TJust a guy running some pipes.0 -
I should also add that in the 5 years these people have live there, never has the system been serviced, and the water pressure was 32# when I got there. Changed the auto fill to 25# hot, and will cool the system & check it on the next trip. Also, the digital readout said the bft (boiler flow temp) was 190*, and without a manuel, I could not figure out how to reprogram it or see what the aquastat was set for. I will download a manule for it later. HO asked me what size filter it takes..."It's a boiler, ma'am...no furnace, no filter." "What...no furnace??? Just a boiler???" "Just a boiler."
TJust a guy running some pipes.0 -
Timco
If those screws are in a little cone you undo screw half turn to a turn and slip the manometer tubing over the cone0 -
You missed a great opportunity!
You should have said it takes a 25"x25" Beluga filter and the one they have is shot. New one is on sale this week for $125.00!!!
JUST KIDDING!
A salesman at a company I worked for long ago once sold a humidifier over the phone to a person that said they had a furnace. Installer gets there and what does he see but a steam boiler. He called the office to ask how to install the humidifier on the boiler! I wish I had taken that call!
The start-up and shut-down measurements are more for my curiosity than anything else although we should all be paying close attention to the start-up and shut-down numbers as they will reveal other problems.
And please remember, rising CO is the most dangerous CO reading you will ever see. As Jim Davis says, it doesn't matter if it starts at 1ppm and begins to rise, it will not stop rising.
Good to see your posts!
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Screws are not in a cone, but apparently the top one is for incomming press(4-13 wc) and the bottom is the inlet offset press port (-.01 to -.10 wc)...The big torx cover is to the adjustment key
Apparently, I may be suffering from cross contamination of the combustion air as it is a direct vented unit in a double wall sleeve (in & out). Would I extend the exhaust tip to cure cross contamination?
TJust a guy running some pipes.0 -
Factory specs for this unit are 9.0% to 9.6% CO2, and I am at 9.3%...
TJust a guy running some pipes.0 -
Nice CO2
but poor O2 and CO.
These are sealed combustion units, yes? Vented with stainless steel?
That stack temp is something I would expect to see on an atmospheric boiler. Not something that vents with single-wall SS pipe through the side of a building.
Test, test, test, test!!!!
Mark H
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Simple test
Test the incoming combustion air with your 125.
But your stack temp is still too high.
Also, your CO2 number would be higher if you were cross contaminating.
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So once my inlet pressure is verified in specs, I will adjust (lower) the gas while testing and watch the CO & stack temp drop since there is apparently no manifold pressure test port...Yes, it is a stainless inner, sealed combustion.
Thanks again!!
TimJust a guy running some pipes.0 -
That is where
I would start.
E-mail me the results.
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Endurance
Do the numbers change as it modulates ?
You MIGHT have a little cross-contamination, the inner pipe is sealed with silcone and tape. Much C-C will shut unit down.
I believe flame impingement is a probable cause of high CO here as the fire is blown through the HX coil to some degree. Maybe the coil just needs a light brushing.
It would be interesting to see what Laars has to say.0 -
Laars claims sealed chamber, and no soot or impingement. Since there is no viewing window, hard to tell. The numbers (stack temp & CO) do drop as it cycles, but are steady otherwise. No error messages. If slight CC is found (unit is not in shut down mode) would I just extend the exhaust port, or is there a baffel for this. They are somewhat close together.
TimJust a guy running some pipes.0 -
If I remember correctly, all tests and adjustments are supposed to be mede with the unit at high-fire. This is done by placing a jumper across two terminals.
Here is an exerpt from the manual
Check for cross contamination before attempting to adjust offset pressure. CO2 sampling may be taken at the exhaust terminal or at the sample port on the 3" exhaust located inside the unit. The CO2 values of (Nat. Gas CO2 of 9.0-9.6% with an offset of -0.01 to -0.10) (L.P. CO2 of 9.7-10.0% with an offset of -0.01 to -0.10) should be achieved when the unit is at high-fire. To manually fix the unit in high-fire, locate the four-pin connector on the bottom left of the control board and jumper the middle two terminals together. Note that during the prepurge cycle the gauge will indicate several in. w.c. negative pressure. Adjust the CO2 and/or offset pressure to the values listed above. When adjusting the offset pressure, the CO2 will reduce as the offset pressure is adjusted more negative. FINAL ADJUSTMENT OF THE OFFSET PRESSURE MUST ALWAYS RESULT IN A NEGATIVE PRESSURE UPON COMPLETION.0 -
Laars Endurance
Tim,
Give us a call at Laars Heating Systems.
Bill M.0
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