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Weezbo · January 2006

to kill you deader than a door knob.

there are various disruptions to the human being that can drop one like a rock some distance into the future.

Mark Hunt · January 2006

Check this article out.

CO is getting more attention.

The article points out that people who have been poisoned by CO may end up dead a few years AFTER the incident.

Here is the link

Mark H

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Mark Hunt · January 2006

Yah

There was a CO case that happened last year while I was attending ISH. A man was killed by CO in his home. His daughter and house keeper found him the next day. Both of them were in the home for some time not realizing that they were being poisoned. The house-keeper left the scene and was found about an hour later dead in her car several blocks away from the house.

When I read this story, I kept thinking about the one coal miner that survived. He took a hell of a dose.

How's things in Alaska?

Mark H

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Weezbo · January 2006

Can We say Freezun

it is like 30 -> 42 below around here lately...no one really Wants to go to work or school, every one wants to sleep in late and stay where its warm all day

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the kids get up and run out and jump the Yellow Banana and it is like always on time on schedule...once it goes 50 below and lower the kids start letting their folks Know just how cold it is in those school buses and wig their folks out to the point they convince them to stay home and keep warm till the cold blows over

which, it never does

so then it goes maybe 60 below or so and the school starts saying well, your children don't have to come to school buh they will have to make up the days that they don't show up in the summer...

for some the school Is the Warmest place they know.

See the cold actually brings clarity of mind

psychologically speaking

like it really doesn't require a 2X4 upside the bean to get their attention...

work is somewhat the same ,construction Costs in the winter here...and in more ways than one. some vehicles look like they were rescued from the twilight zone within 20 mins of driving it into a garage, things go Bink Clink Crack Clang Bang Boom in the winter and it is never good.

the moose hang out around our homes so they can eat up anything that resembles food under the snow. the colder it gets the quieter it becomes,fewer things move in deep cold.

earlier this week i took a nice 4" icecycle out of and HRV so that the defrost flapper might have a chance for a while....the filter block was real ugly

Our co alerts are more for Outside air in cold weather. There is no wind to speak of for the most part,and the ice turns into fog and the exhaust fumes from combustion combines with this fog and then we have what we call Ice fog. put your arm out in front of you, put your hand in a stop formation and you may not be able to see your fingers.

Is very different around here

i have had to cameras go bye bye on me this last part of the year , i need to get one of those electric cameras :)so i can plug it into my computer and make it go:){remember star trek with the guys who just wanted to make their ship Go?}

they didn't have a clue as to the math or the science oH no they just kept meeting people and getting them to help them make things go faster :)or shoot farther or strengthen their defence shields

Still doing rough-ins

last of the "Year"

Mark Hunt · January 2006

I can't believe

that other than Weezbo, none of you read this or had any comment.

Any one else?

Mark H

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Darin Cook_2 · January 2006

CO

I have noticed that none of you CO "criers" have quit sucking up a couple of packs of smokes a day. I guess that must be "good" CO right! You should team up with the radon gas people. Keep preaching your lies!

Smokem if U gotam
OL' Canasta

Mark Hunt · January 2006

Do you REALLY

want to play with me?

If it was any other subject, I would let you have your fun.

You have now walked into a mine field and I will only warn you one time. DO NOT GO THERE. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? THIS ISN'T A GAME.

Do it again and I will not rest until you regret it.

Understand?

Mark H

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ALH_4 · January 2006

I'm waiting

to drop dead at any moment...........but then I willingly exposed myself to way too many things "known to the State of California to cause cancer". I wasn't in California, so I guess I'm ok.

How many "professionals" out there are not following venting guidelines? There are a lot more than any of us would like. Galvanized vent pipe connected to a drier vent hood is not a recommended venting option for a Weil McLain GV. Saw that today.

-Andrew

Tom_35 · January 2006

CO at Hoover Dam

I was watching a documentary about the building of Hoover Dam today. They said that many of the workers died of pneumonia, while it was really CO poisoning. The CO was in the large tunnels they had dug to divert the water while the dam was being built. Less than 100 men were listed as deaths in building the dam, while over 400 were "actual" deaths that occured from the CO.

OSHA would have a field day with the entire project these days.

Tom Atchley
Ft. Smith, AR

brucewo1b · January 2006

Mark

Yes I read the article but I didn't find I needed to comment, as with most of your links I do read. It is a subject that we all need to be aware of and we all should be testing house air at servise calls to catch what we can early as posible, thats my opinion

Bruce

Mark Hunt · January 2006

Bruce

I meant no offense, I just couldn't believe that a study like this would have so few responses.

Thanks for caring enough to read it!

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Mark Hunt · January 2006

Saw that one too

I try to keep my CO posts centered around heating equipment, but that Hoover Dam story almost made me make an exception.

Now here is my next point. How many people die/died due to a past CO exposure that was NEVER identified as such?

The numbers are just starting to come out folks. I guarantee they will be MUCH higher than anything you have been lead to believe in the past.

Mark H

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Timco · January 2006

The attorney that died last month here had been complaining of flu symptoms for a week prior to death. They never gave the levels but the fire department ordered the home evacuated after testing...Longer term low-level exposure?

T

Brian (Tankless) · January 2006

Were you drunk

when you posted that, Pete.

What's with the "Keep preaching your lies" thing?

Is Radon just another inert, gas type thing that does no one any harm?

Things get off on tangents because of reading between the lines.

Don't you get the point yet, as to to why guys like Mark & us are fanatical about CO education & testing?

DEAD is irreversible!!! but responsible maintenance & setup is relatively simple.

Whether we choose to smoke or not, is beside the point. The pro's job is to protect the HO from CO produced by incorrectly installed/ set up equipment.

I'm with you, Mark.

G'night. Brian.

Mark Hunt · January 2006

Gotta' share this one

Last year a woman of 56 was found dead in her home. About 2 miles from where I currently sit. The first news stories said she "froze to death". MY GOD!!! How could anyone freeze to death around here?? It wasn't like she lived 50 miles off a a dead end dirt road or anything. She lived on a main road, semi-rural and had neighbors within 100 yards of her house. But that is what the news stories said.

A few days later, an up-dated story came out that she died of "exposure". Media-eese for Hypo-thermia. Her time of death was narrowed to within 48 hours by accessing her phone records. She had been contacting heating companies in the area because her heating system was "not functioning properly".

Now I could have left it at that, no heat.... she froze. BUT! toward the end of the article they happened to mention that a few of her pets perished also. Not ALL, just a few. How cold would it have to be for your dog or cat to die? Pick any number, doesn't matter. It wasn't that cold.

No autopsy was done on her.

I would be willing to bet a lot of money that this woman died from CO exposure and so did her pets.

We'll never know now though.

Mark H

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jerry scharf_3 · January 2006

Don't know what to say

I get it. I support you completely. I just haven't figured out what I can do about it. I live in an area where heating demand is less, and everyone seems to believe that CO is only a problem in cold places...

jerry

Empire_2 · January 2006

Co Article

I to read what you have to offer Mark. Since this is a serious problem and gathers not much attention from people like Pete, well I guess that's why these accidents happen. It's almost like to much sun exposure, but people over expose themselves anyways thinking it will not hurt them. One big difference though,...CO poisioning can be CONTROLLED!!! or at least checked and corrected.
Thanks Mike T

Jim Davis_3 · January 2006

Funny I have been passing out that article from American Journal of Health for almost 4 years that stated that tens of thousands of congestive heart patients were problably exposed to low level CO which aggravated their condition. Whenever I hear about CO poisonings and they report that the people will make a complete recovery they have no idea!

John R. Hall · January 2006

You can lead horse to water...

I'm still following the deaths of a father and son in Omaha last week. Service techs from a local HVAC company "allegedly" disconnected the flue vent but didn't shut off the gas when they left for the night. But they claim they did and I believe them. Did the victim turn the gas back on in an attempt to warm up the house? He can't answer. Did the techs make the victim aware of the dangers of turning the gas back on or barring that, reconnect the flue vent knowing that the homeowner may decide to take matters into his own hands? I guess we'll never know both sides of the story but the lesson should be that everything done in the home needs to be recorded on the job ticket (a legal record) and that the homeowner needs to be told all about the consequences of his/her actions. A five-minute lecture may be all it takes to save a life. Is there anyone out there who can't spare five minutes for a human life?

Empire_2 · January 2006

Now-a-days

Simply shutting off the gas is NOT enough. Anyone can turn it back on and in this case, maybe they did. That's whay if you have to leave, Dissable the equipment, cut wire if you have to and hide em cause the customer when cold thinks they can get by for just a-little while and Boom!!! To Late.

Boiler Guy · January 2006

Operator Stupidity

Home owners are not the only culprits! Question: How far can a waste oil heater fly?? Mechanics kept pushing the reset button all evening. Supervisor advised them not to touch it, shut off the power and tagged it out. "Mister Macho Head Wrench Puller" decided HE could fix anything!!
Mister Macho is now nursing broken bones, burns and varios contusions while his counterparts are "enjoying" forced vacations. Slightly burnt tag still attached!!!
Moral: If you do not know it or understand it ... DO NOT TOUCH IT!!!!!
Took me 10 mins to trouble shoot a failed transformer .... easily .... with the equipment already disassembled on the floor ... 30 feet from where it originally was.
Really makes me wonder!!!!!
Oh to be a fly on the wall at that WCB hearing!

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