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Magic Wand

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Darrell
Darrell Member Posts: 303
Put the relief velve front and center where the service guy can get to it. And while you're at it, put the gage up there too.

Can you make it self-destruct if an unqualified installer even tries to open the shipping crate?

Just one more thing...make it impossible to run any piping over or in front of any cleaning access panels...I'll probably never grow hair on my arms, but I'd like to keep my skin.

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  • Ike Gatlin_2
    Ike Gatlin_2 Member Posts: 4
    Magic Wand

    For all the insightful contractors here...

    If you had a magic wand... What would you want in a cast iron boiler?

    Venting? Material? Controls? Color?

    Wave your wand and create the next generation of cast iron boiler. BTW... yes it can condense.

    Thanks,
    Ike Gatlin
    Sales Manager
    Boiler Products-Mestek
  • Timco
    Timco Member Posts: 3,040


    Besides an internal bypass? Do Not ship the thing with the circ on the return! I just have to tear it off. Put in bold words somewhere where everyone can see it a space for the combustion analysis results, and insist in the manuel that it be done or the warranty is void...

    Tim
    Just a guy running some pipes.
  • Brad White_143
    Brad White_143 Member Posts: 22
    Something like

    Ken Cohen's Hydrotherm KN?

    :)

    Sorry if I stole your thunder. Is this what you had in mind?
  • Al Corelli
    Al Corelli Member Posts: 454


    Make it weigh less than 100 lbs.

    I'm getting too old for these heavy beasts.
  • Charlie from wmass
    Charlie from wmass Member Posts: 4,422


    Can you move the relief valve on the smiths away from the supplly pie just 2 inches that is all I ask. Neaten up the factory wiring, I just put in a GB 250 steam and it looked like a child and his monkey wired it, And that was the factory wiring. Wet based gas steam/ hot water would be nice, designed that way not just a retro burner on the oil boiler. Multi pass on the fluegases. Move the roll out switch on the GB as mine was busted off and I had to wait until the next day for a new one, It was broken off before it was even uncrated and the crate was not damaged. The push nipple replacements seem ok for now but I do like the iron nipples, That is the dinosaur in me I have been told. Leveling legs are a nice touch. just a few thoughts too late at night.
    Oh yeah a good wholesaler in western mass that is happy to sell the full line of Mestek boilers. I like the gv 200's I have installed but not the tech manual that came with them. I think a wall hung boiler should have it clearly stated what is required to hang it and what to hang it from. I know they are stainless but while I have your ear I figured I would slip it in.
    Cost is what you spend , value is what you get.

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  • Jeff Lawrence_25
    Jeff Lawrence_25 Member Posts: 746
    It'd be nice

    To have a dual temp ability besides radiant and DHW. Something like HWBB, radiant and DHW.
  • Al Corelli
    Al Corelli Member Posts: 454


    I think the wiring on the Smith gas boilers is atrocious.

    It looks like the kid's monkey was on acid when it was wired.

    I rewire them.

    Oh, on the subject of GBs. When they are first fired, they stink to high heaven. For at least a day ot two. One customer wanted me to remove the boiler because of the smell.
  • Uni R_2
    Uni R_2 Member Posts: 589
    Color?

    Ike, would it be difficult to have different colored shells that you can sell with it? And why would you be asking the contractors what color it should be? They won't be living with it for 20 years.

    I'm always surprised at how this industry seems to always have this view of the customer as the ignorant outsider. Yes, to many people it's just a heating system - a true commodity where it just needs to keep the house warm, the fuel bills low and be reliable.

    At the end of the day it's a major expense, and these lowly outsiders are the ones footing the bill. For the hydronics market, the homeowners are buying increasingly efficient and complex boilers. With the mass adoption of the internet, information on boilers is now easy to find and people are using it to educate themselves. That may be better, that may be worse, but that's what's happening. These are big purchases and it is something that the owner will be looking at for 15 years or more or they'll be buying someone else's boiler next time.

    Lochinvar's Knight is an example of what I'm talking about. Lochinvar's most general brochure talks directly to the contractors. This boiler is to "expand the contractor's kingdom" by being "an installer's dream".

    The Knight is a totally modern boiler, with a very traditional footprint that would make for great servicing. That easy servicing advantage comes at the expense of space and packaging - it needs a minimum of 14" at the back for venting and then needs another 12" of space for water piping coming out the one side.

    Space in housing often comes at the expense of space for mechanicals. Personally, I believe that Lochinvar missed the boat with the Knight by it not being a true wall hung design (although it does have a wall mount kit available - maybe it hangs on it's side) or a even better a hybrid design like the Ultra that can be mounted on the floor or wall hung. Given a choice of it and the competing mod-cond boilers, I don't think most purchasers would want it sticking way out into the mechanical room or out along the wall of a small utility room or even worse yet, try placing it in a more general purpose space like you could with a wall-hung.

    If this is going to be the next generation of cast iron boiler, it should also strive to have the flexibility to allow the next generation of packaging. Will it have a nice matching indirect that can be packaged on top of each other like a Buderus or Viessmann?

    I would think that the looks and packaging of a boiler package will often determine whether or not the customer is requesting it or being sold on it. There's more total margin when there is customer pull than customer push. Manufacturers should keep that in mind.
  • J.C.A._3
    J.C.A._3 Member Posts: 2,980
    Color choice....

    The homeowner CAN have the color of their choice...they just have to wait a couple days for it.

    Ever seen a W/M in a color other than green, blue or yellow?

    I have! Check it out...
  • J.C.A._3
    J.C.A._3 Member Posts: 2,980
    The Customer....

    Can have any color jacket they want, they just have to wait for it after arrival.

    Ever seen a 68 series W/M in a color other than blue? I have...Check it out ! (It's PURPLE BTW!)
  • Ike, I just learned

    that the Smith 8 series boiler is Energy-Star rated when oil-fired, but NOT so rated when equipped with a power gas burner! Fix this please, our steam customers are asking for it.

    Look into the 90%+ technology currently being used on steam boilers in the U.K. (Hoval) and Canada (Gasmaster).

    Burnham has made a major advance in steam boilers with their Mega-Steam. How are you going to compete?

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  • Darrell
    Darrell Member Posts: 303


    One more thing...seeing as how the boilers are getting more and more sophisticated...include a well-written service manual with troubleshoot stuff in it. That book should be on heavy paper, or better yet mylar, and be bound so as to stay open to any page, in any position, and handle being wet. Oh yeah! I'll be reading it with a flashlight in my mouth and a voltage testor in my hands, laying on the cold wet floor. Well-drawn wiring diagrams, component names, AND FACTORY PART NUMBERS. A dial-a-prayer(factory tech) number that is active 24/7 would be a sweet touch too! We can't just jumper out stuff anymore. If the boiler needs a computer to run it...no problem...send me a device to plug into it to tell me its failure history...they do it on cars all the time. And make the device cross brands.
  • Jeff Elston
    Jeff Elston Member Posts: 289
    Venting options

    Venting is consistently the largest problem area I have encountered, I mean we are talking magic wand right I would like venting the boiler to become safe and versatile and easy to install and safe and address the make up air and the exhaust as one system , and maybe something like a modular setup where the iron is a piece of the boiler.

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