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Header size
The supply and return headers should be mirror images of each other. This helps with delta T, flow rate, less head and MOST IMPORTANT - Dan says so! ("Pumping Away" page 95).
The use of the reducer/diffuser bushing on the G115 adds less than .012 feet of head because of the very short distance of the fitting.
Installation of a boiler, near boiler piping, wiring is as individual as each person. There are some contractors who go to great lengths to "create a work of art" when installing a boiler. Most home owners do not care what it looks like as long as it works. Many of the contractors who post here do the installation and the service, so they keep that in mind.
Will this system operate - yes. Is it as service friendly as we would all like to see at 2am on a no heat call - maybe not. I suggest having it inspected to be sure local code is followed, change the DHW line to one inch by cutting in before the header, as suggested earlier, or add on to the end of the header, Keep return same size as supply up till the boiler.
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sorry roosterboy
That was very mean and I shouldn't have posted it. I don't hate you I was trying to make a point that cheaper is not always better. I should just mind my own business. Sorry again.0 -
What Dan is talking about
> The supply and return headers should be mirror
> images of each other. This helps with delta T,
> flow rate, less head and MOST IMPORTANT - Dan
> says so! ("Pumping Away" page 95).
What Dan is talking about there is if you reduce the size of the supply manifold to reflect the decreasing load the manifold will carry as the water gets further down the manifold you will make the return the mirror image of the supply because the sizes the supply manifold was made of were determined by the load at that point. If 1" is all that's required then running a pipe larger on the supply or the retrun really doesn't make any difference.0 -
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is the vent piping to combustibles?0 -
so when...
piping the 115 do you (Buderus) recommend increasing to 1 1/4" as soon as you get out of the return? kpc
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yea so what I have to do is take that reducer I have on my return manifold and stick it directly on the back of the boilers return
then pipe 1/1/4 from there
good thing you guys told me this
thanks
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Mirrored Manifolds
> > The supply and return headers should be
> mirror _BR_ > images of each other. This
> helps with delta T, _BR_ > flow rate, less
> head and MOST IMPORTANT - Dan _BR_ > says so!
> ("Pumping Away" page 95)._BR_
>
> What Dan is
> talking about there is if you reduce the size of
> the supply manifold to reflect the decreasing
> load the manifold will carry as the water gets
> further down the manifold you will make the
> return the mirror image of the supply because the
> sizes the supply manifold was made of were
> determined by the load at that point. If 1" is
> all that's required then running a pipe larger on
> the supply or the retrun really doesn't make any
> difference.
I think that what Joe (and Dan) were refering to is reverse return. That will equalize the pressure drop in constant diameter manifolds.
With a properly designed manifold pair that reduces toward the end (or oversized manifold headers), you dont need to make them mirror images (reverse return).
Ron0 -
Hi Roosterboy,
You could do that or even better might be to replace the first 90 by the boiler return and replace it with a Tee and run the new branch as directly as possable to the indirect return.
Since you have a horizontal indirect, flow rate is important not only for recovery but also to purge air out of the heat exchanger loops in the indirect tank. (Been there, Done that, Got the T-shirt)
I would really try to get the Spirovent in main supply and Tee off after it, one leg to the manifold and the other leg to the indirect circ.
Ron0 -
> hay guys my boiler is done can anyone tell me
> what's wrong with it on the supply header from
> left to right
>
> the first 007 is my dhw the
> next is my hydro air the next is my
> baseboard
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> this is a buderus g115 28 with lt
> 160 42gl dhw tank and r 2109 controller power
> vented
>
> the company that did this install is a
> 80% service and 20% install and you can tell by
> the no so nice looking install
>
> I tried to get
> them to do it neat I made the board and painted
> it and laid it out but they changed things on me
> left scags on my solder joints also I think my
> dhw should have been copper piped with 1 inch
> copper instead 3/4 from the taco 007
>
> but
> please let me know if anything should be repiped
> or changed
>
> thanks
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Here is a boiler room Schematic hope this helps.0 -
Brett, how do you make those images?
PATRIOT HEATING & COOLING, INC.
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Ted
I use on this drawing just a basic Visio. You can create drawing that you save as stencils (pumps, styles of boiler, ect..). I have a library of around 2,000 boiler, electrical, mechanical fittings, ect... I then created Templates of applications and then as the design of the job dictates change the template to fit the job. You can create very detailed drawings. For commercial jobs I use a 3-D auto cad based program to draw to scale. There both great tools to use in the field and also to sell the job to the home owner. Here is another example of the new Buderus intall with the GB-142.0 -
Very Nice
I can see I've got to look into Visio more. Where did you get the library of "pieces"?0 -
I just did some searching. I found the program and I also found sites where you can download different symbol etc..
But Brett, do you mean to say that you make the Buderus or boiler images?
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thanks very much guys the job was all redone and works better and looks better I will post new update pictures tomorrow and thank you all for helping me on this without you id have dirty water and a not so good boiler setup so thanks allot.
I love this website and the people here im here everyday. I got so into heating that I am now saving money to go to school for it.
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Viso Images
I have Viso at work and have done many drawings for Buderus. E-mail me at jkennard@buderus.net and I can send drawings (got a great "new" image of the GB142 from our rep Steve Grady) that have great images of Buderus products.
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Joe and Ted
Joe I have made all detailed drawing on the new GB and all Buderus products if you need anymore stencils. I am the rep out in Washington State. Ted email me your address and I would be more than happy to burn a CD of my library and send it your way. No use redrawing these images if the work has already been done. brett@mechagents.com0 -
Hi Brett! I will be in touch with you on Monday. Please don't send me the picture of Ralph!!!
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