Massachusetts public funding for heating system upgrades

Im Confused

Here is an excerpt from "Boiler ratings" section

"You took that installed radiation load in BTUH (or Square Feet EDR) and multiplied it by a factor of 1.33 to get the boiler's Gross Output rating.

Then, in 1967, they further reduced the Pickup Factor from 1.33 to 1.15, but only for hot water boilers. They let the factor for steam boiler sizing remain at 1.33 because steam piping is bigger than hot water piping. This is because steam is bigger than water. There's one problem here, though. Steam pipes contain hardly any water. But don't let that trouble you. Life is too short to fret about such things."

How is this not 33% bigger than EDR?

> Hi Guys, I've done some work with a local

> organization that secures grants and such for

> heating system upgrades for certain levels of

> income.

>

> Has anyone heard of this wacky rule

> where the state wants the steam boilers sized 33%

> over the required load/radiators? I told the

> local guy who seems very nice that this was

> absolutley crazy, that someone must have major

> confussion with the 33% pick up factor, yet he

> says the State still requires it- Is this nuts or

> has anyone else heard of this?

>

> Gary

>

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I recently got my mass liceanse and am apprenticing with a company that services the brockton area. In the time i've bene apprenticing iv'e learn't that to many of the boilers installed with community development grants suck to work on. About 3 weeks ago we had to replace a zone zalve on one of these, there was one drain below each zone valve (like there shound be), probablem was those were the lowest drains on the system, about 5' above the bottom of the boiler. And a very common thing we see on these is the return piping to close to the chamber door, so that the door can't be opened.
If I'm not mistaken these grants are for people who can't aford to hire a company and pay for the Boiler out of pocket. That money saved on a drain and time to properly pipe the return is nothing compared to what it will cost if the chamber ever needs to be changed,-remove return pipe while lowest drain is 5' high.
I've never seen any of youre work, that i know of, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that youre not one of the lowest bid plumbers that did the any of the jobs like those i described.
But if you are, please save us techs the head ache of dealing with the mistakes me find on lowest bider jobs.

I recently got my mass liceanse and am apprenticing with a company that services the brockton area. In the time i've bene apprenticing iv'e learn't that to many of the boilers installed with community development grants suck to work on. About 3 weeks ago we had to replace a zone zalve on one of these, there was one drain below each zone valve (like there shound be), probablem was those were the lowest drains on the system, about 5' above the bottom of the boiler. And a very common thing we see on these is the return piping to close to the chamber door, so that the door can't be opened.
If I'm not mistaken these grants are for people who can't aford to hire a company and pay for the Boiler out of pocket. That money saved on a drain and time to properly pipe the return is nothing compared to what it will cost if the chamber ever needs to be changed,-remove return pipe while lowest drain is 5' high.
I've never seen any of youre work, that i know of, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that youre not one of the lowest bid plumbers that did the any of the jobs like those i described.
But if you are, please save us techs the head ache of dealing with the mistakes me find on lowest bider jobs.
ok im done, MarkE