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Hydronics resources for a newbie?

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Hey guys I've been an HVAC service technician for about 9 years now and have started at a new company a few months ago.. my previous company I worked on some boilers but my hand was held most of the time and alot of the times I never had to do the repairs on return visits etc.. now with my new company they have barely any technicians and I'm going to sooooo many boilers it's been quite the crash course.. I've serviced systems for a while but just regular maintenance, some pump replacements, cleanings on some older Weil McLain CGi5pins, NTI Trinity's, Viessman etc.. I've never really understood much of the water side but last winter I spent some time reading

Pumping away, classic hydronics and a few other Dan Holohan books which have been amazing resources so far.. I've retained a decent amount of the knowledge but I'm looking at really understanding and diving deep into being proficient diagnosing and servicing new types of boilers as my new company has a whole bunch of Viessmans etc..

My new company said they are willing to pay for some hydronics courses for me so I'm really looking forward to doing that but just wondering what are some of the other can't live without boiler/hydronic resources? They are all low pressure systems which a max relief pressure of 30psig..

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  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 26,532

    Here is a link to a set of 33 technical journals, free download or sign up for the printed copies

    https://www.caleffi.com/en-us/education/idronicstm

    A couple favorites that go over common troubleshooting and designs that work and fixes for mis-piped systems

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    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
    mattmia2HydronicMikeSweatDreams
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 8,377

    And....all of Dan Holohan's Books...All of Ray Wolfarth's Books. I'm excited for you and I like your Gung Ho attitude....Mad Dog

    SweatDreams
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 15,444

    In addition to Idroncs, "Modern Hydonic heating" is a great one too

    you don't necessarily need the current edition.

    Mad Dog_2SweatDreams
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 15,444

    If you learn steam there are a lot of places that just don't have anyone doing residential work that know steam.

    Find someone you can pay to bail you out when you get in to something you can't figure out and can learn from.

    Mad Dog_2
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 15,444

    a lot of Dan's stories and seminars are on youtube too:

    then there is the general society:

    SweatDreams
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 19,458

    The crash course you are in will teach you the most.

    I would guess MOD CON training would be the first thing and some electrical training and controls if you need that.

    If they are selling Viessman that would be a good place to start.

    SweatDreams
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 15,444

    i think most of the manufacturers of mod cons have online training but really it is more about understanding microprocessor control systems than mod cons vs conventional boilers

  • psb75
    psb75 Member Posts: 1,099

    John 'Siggy' Siegenthaler's manuals. Or the Caleffi 'Idronics' series manuals are very great and comprehensive resources.

    Mad Dog_2SweatDreamsIntplm.
  • DanHolohan
    DanHolohan Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 16,682

    I love your attitude! Thanks for reading me. Look for me on YouTube. Lots of talks there. Thanks.

    Retired and loving it.
    Mad Dog_2mattmia2SweatDreamsbjohnhy
  • Intplm.
    Intplm. Member Posts: 2,813

    Here is a resource I have also used. @DanHolohan Wrote it years ago. All of his writings are superb.

    Mad Dog_2SweatDreams
  • HydronicMike
    HydronicMike Member Posts: 237

    Everything you need is in those Caleffi Idronics. Sign up and they'll even mail you hard copies.

    SweatDreams
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 19,458

    The hydronic end is easier to learn than the controls. At least it was for an old geezer like me that didn't turn on a computer until I was about 40.

    Circuit boards and processors used to scare me.

    But it's all about checking for power

    Checking the inputs

    checking the outputs

    But you have to know how the thing is supposed to work. This is where some manufacturers fall flat on their face.

    Some write excellent manuals and some write crap.

    For instance CARRIER, not a favorite. We used to install a lot of their 'Aquasnap" commercial chillers.

    We used one on a process job and it worked fine. Set for 40 degrees everything is great ….until the next day.

    You walk by the chiller and its just sitting there, water temp is 70 degrees. Chilled water pump running.

    I had one of my guys working on it and I went over to help out. We basically tore it apart look for issues and checking sensors and voltages etc. We both read the manual cover to cover.

    Finally I read one section over and over and it went something like this " The processor senses the temperature of the supply and return water and decides how many compressors to sequence."

    That was it. No more explanation than that.

    So what was happening was the chiller is not set up to maintain water temp, and you can do nothing to change that. It senses the supply and return temp and decides when to run. Since the process machines were off the supply and return were the same temp……no load so the chiller sees no load and will not start even though its 30 degrees above set point.

    Once it senses a load it will start and then maintain 40 deg.. All done through the processor and you cant change it or wire around it.

    After that we changed the name of those chillers to "sleepy snap" . Everyone laughed at me when I told them the chillers went to sleep.

    SweatDreams
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 15,444

    if you understand what it has to do, you can make some pretty good guesses about what the microcontroller has to be doing even if the manufacturer won't tell you.

  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 26,532

    Sight , sound, and smell are good troubleshooting assets.
    Taste also, used in moderation, if you are checking for glycols🤓

    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 19,458

    @mattmia2

    I agree but in the case of chillers you start them up and they maintain water temp 24/7 unless you wire it otherwise.

    This chiller only operates on differential water temp for a start signal. Any changes to any extermnal wiring will not start it. Its baked in to the microprocessor.

    Two of us read the manual and the only clue was the 1 sentence above.

  • SweatDreams
    SweatDreams Member Posts: 2

    Ohh woww thanks guys did not honestly expect the responses I've received so quickly and a comment by the man himself! Appreciate all the help, can't wait to feel more confident and efficient at figuring these things out!

    Larry Weingarten
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 15,444

    if the person that programmed the microcontroller isn't acting rationally you can't really guess what they did…