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Missing external pump and expansion tank

pt777
pt777 Member Posts: 2

Hi all,

Purchased a new build duplex a few years back that has a radiant heating system and a high efficiency boiler. The duplex is 3 stories (basement, main floor, top floor) and has 4 heating zones (basement, main, and two on the top floor). Past couple years have had some annoyances with hot water where the water would turn cold (when washing dishes for example) and would take some time to turn hot again. On rare occasions (couple times a year), this would result in an error code on the boiler which required a restart. Had the home builder out for these issues who made some adjustments to the system, but otherwise said everything checked out.

More recently, had a problem with the basement heating not coming on. Had a HVAC technician come out and they had to replace a valve that was not opening. This resolved the basement heating issue, but as part of the work the technician noted that there were some large issues with the installation, mainly that there was only one pump instead of two, and that there was no expansion tank. He said this likely explained the issues we've been having the past few years. Also said without these components, we are significant reducing the life expectancy of the boiler with potential larger issues occurring down the road. He's suggested adding these components in, but due to the work that's going to be required, it's not a cheap endeavor. Was hoping to get other people's thoughts to make sure this is something we should go ahead with, have attached pics of the system here.

Comments

  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 23,991

    yeah , that is not piped anywhere close to correct

    The installation manual shows piping options, that is not one of them

    I think the tech is offering good advice

    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
  • Big Ed_4
    Big Ed_4 Member Posts: 3,089

    I see the expansion tank in the second photo …

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    SuperTechGroundUp
  • Kaos
    Kaos Member Posts: 382

    These can be piped direct to load as long as the min flow is above something like 2GPM. Commonly done with gravity feed conversion.

    Definitely not the best setup with a bunch of zone valves though but as long as you can get at least 2GPM through each zone, it technically meets manufactures specs.

    Low loss header or closed space T with a 2nd pump is the better setup with zone valves.

    The expansion tank needs to be added no matter what.

  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 23,991
    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 23,991

    there may be some good data on that controller showing number of cycles, time of cycle, ignition attempts, maybe even supply and return temperatures. That would give you some insight to the life it has lived.

    The source of the intake air has a lot to do with combustion quality.
    Did the tech use a combustion analyzer and leave a printout?

    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
  • pt777
    pt777 Member Posts: 2

    Ah ok thank you, good to know.

    Don't think the tech used a combustion analyzer, no printout. Will ask next time he comes in.

  • Kaos
    Kaos Member Posts: 382

    Good eye @Big Ed_4, that expansion tank should be fine for a fin tube baseboard install. If you have a lot more water in the system like cast iron rads, you'll probably need more.

    Looks like the unit even has in internal differential bypass, so as long as those zones are not restrictive, it is a good install. Seems that they have done their homework for typical overseas install with panel rads and TRVs, all the bits needed for space heat and hot water is built right into the unit.