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Common wire for nest

Fab
Fab Member Posts: 6
edited November 17 in Thermostats and Controls

Hello everyone. I tried using the search function but then at the same time. I feel like I wouldn't know if my scenario is the same as someone else's because I don't understand my hookup that well to understand other people's hook up.

I want to add a common wire, so I thought why not use the green wire. But I don't know how

I have one heater that is controlling two zones. The zones are activated by a valve.

I I know there are different versions of it this aquastat n I think I got the picture of my model.

I I tried providing quite a lot of pictures to help if anything.

The wires that that are going to my thermostat are red white and green The green is not connected

Comments

  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 16,364

    Yes, you can use the unused green wire for a common.

    My recommendation is to use a separate relay and transformer to get a C wire. This method causes less problems IMHO. I have attached a generic wiring diagram which will probably have to be changed.

    @EdTheHeaterMan is the resident Nest expert. He will probably respond,

    or you can PM him

  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 9,269

    traveling. Will be off line for another 24 hours. Will respond then.

    Edward Young Retired

    After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?

    Fab
  • 109A_5
    109A_5 Member Posts: 1,566

    Hello Fab,

    I would think the C wire would come from this transformer and not the aquastat.

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  • Fab
    Fab Member Posts: 6

    Thanks guys. I will add some more pictures of the wiring then. In a few

  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 17,358

    That is correct. Are those Honeywell zone valves? What model? Do they have four wires connected to each one, or only three?

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  • Fab
    Fab Member Posts: 6
    edited November 18

    2 Red 2 yellow

  • Fab
    Fab Member Posts: 6
    edited November 18

    I'm Not sure if this extra picture will help but at least these pictures show where the thermostat lines come in.

  • Fab
    Fab Member Posts: 6

    Oh could embed pictures in the post.

  • 109A_5
    109A_5 Member Posts: 1,566

    Kind of a typical C wire hookup with 4 wire zone valves.

    National - U.S. Gas Boiler 45+ Years Old
    Steam 300 SQ. FT. - EDR 347
    One Pipe System
    HVACNUTEdTheHeaterMan
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 16,364

    Seeing that @EdTheHeaterMan is taking the day off😊😊😊

    What @109A_5 posted above should work

    Fab
  • Fab
    Fab Member Posts: 6

    Ok makes sense. I need to see where the green wire from the thermostat ends up.

    I do remember I could have sworn that I had a voltage coming from the green wire by my thermostat but I'll just have to double check that next time.

    If If my green wire is somehow hooked up I got to see what's that about

  • 109A_5
    109A_5 Member Posts: 1,566

    Wires that are not used and not connected to anything but parallel other wires that are energized may have a ghost voltage as some folks call it, there are various reasons for it. Inspect the wires and if unused build the C wire path that you need.

    National - U.S. Gas Boiler 45+ Years Old
    Steam 300 SQ. FT. - EDR 347
    One Pipe System
  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 9,269

    Now that I have had a chance to look carefully at the original post, I have only one observation. There may not be enough different photos of the L8148 control. But that is just one man's opinion.

    And this:

    Edward Young Retired

    After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?

  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 9,269

    There are some Electric code violations in this photo.

    • Separation Requirements: According to NEC 725.55(A), Class 2 wiring (24 Vac thermostat wiring) cannot be installed in the same raceway, wormhole, or enclosure as power wiring. However, if the two systems are connected to the same equipment, the Class 2 wiring must be separated by a barrier or kept 1/8" apart within the box (NEC 725.55(D)).

    The box in your photo has both class 1 & class 3 wires in the same box without any separation.

    • Reclassification To reclassify a Class 2 circuit, it must meet Class 1 requirements, including insulation, conductor size, and material. This may involve using line-voltage-rated materials and ensuring the circuit is designed and installed according to Class 1 standards.

    With this information, you may want to have an electrician look at removing the thermostat from inside that electrical box.

    Edward Young Retired

    After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?

    Fab