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Warren Webster 712 hb, lb & rb rebuild

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tim smith
tim smith Posts: 2,935
edited July 2023 in Strictly Steam
Hey all, this was the apt bldg we were going to orifice but now the owner is not going for a full remodel, ie new windows, wall insulation etc. I checked the output on radiators and they are not quite big enough to derate them to 70% of edr so no go.
1st, anyone have any input on what the hb, lb & rb denote or is it inconsequential.
2nd, What are all your preferences, replace element with Barnes & Jones replacement elements or go Tunstall capsules?? Per Barnes & Jones, no new cap. remove orifice.
Thanks in advance,
Tim
Mad Dog_2

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  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Posts: 8,724
    B & J is excellent and So is Tunstall.  Not sure about B & G, but I know Tunstall is a small, family owned Company.  Noel Murdough (RIP) turned me on to them and Gorton #2s.  Woody Tunstall is great to deal with as is everyone that works there.  Very quick turnaround also.  I love the B & J Big Mouths so I still use them.  Can't go wrong with either company. Mad Dog 🐕 
    Consulting by Mad Dog & Matt Jr.
    tim smith
  • tim smith
    tim smith Posts: 2,935
    Thanks Matt for your insight.
    Tim
    Mad Dog_2
  • JUGHNE
    JUGHNE Posts: 11,633
    IIRC, I did some of those with B&J as the original cap could be used.

    The "L" and "R" might be left or right discharge.
    tim smith
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Posts: 18,834
    The B&J catalog for Webster traps is here, scroll down to get to it:

    https://barnesandjones.com/products/repair-guide/thermostatic-t/

    The 712HB would be the standard pattern. Do the LB and RB traps have their discharge pipes going anywhere but down? Post pics if you can.

    Co-Founder, All Steamed Up, Inc.

    Baltimore, MD, USA

  • tim smith
    tim smith Posts: 2,935
    edited September 2023
    I ended up with Tunstall capsules and the Webster Sylphon valve rebuild kits from Tunstall. Went real smooth on appx 120 radiators or so.
  • Jchenabc
    Jchenabc Posts: 31

    Hi @tim smith. new to a home with steam system. I am pretty sure the trap in my house haven't been serviced in decades. I also have the 712 hb trap. Can you tell me exactly what you bough to rebuild the trap? is it the TCWW-2515 ? if so, what is the best place to buy these things? Seeing anywhere from $50 to 100+

  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Posts: 17,994
    https://forum.heatinghelp.com/discussion/comment/1835533#Comment_1835533

    Talk to Tunstall or Barnes and Jones.

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