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Beckett Genisys

BDR529
BDR529 Member Posts: 285
in Oil Heating
Got one on a burner that had a chattering solenoid. (Not a clean cut pump)
No problem, re-route jet line, re-program with contractor tool and done.

Since it dose give the option to run a valve in the set up, right? --Wrong

-No- can not be selected
-zero- can not be selected on pre-purge.

No way around not running a solenoid valve.

Thought these were universal and up to the contractor to program
the control for the application as needed?



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  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 16,832
    There is an option to tell the control whether or not the valve exists. You'll find it in the manual. It's possible, of course, that the control is an OEM version where they left the option out.

    But why do you want to ditch the valve? The reason it's there is to clean up the starts and stops so you won't have so much cleaning to do at the annual servicing. Ask me how I know how well that works.

    Beckett makes a universal delay valve kit that will fit almost all burners up to at least 3 GPH. The part number is 2182602U. It contains all the fittings you'd need to install the valve, and it doesn't take up much space on your truck.

    This kit comes with a PD Timer cordset that has its own delay (about 4-5 seconds), so it will work with pretty much any control. If you use it with a control that has its own delay, it will add its delay to that of the control, so a 15-second trial for ignition will become 10-11 seconds.

    We still have some Wayne and Sunray burners in our customer base, and have used these kits to bring them into the 21st century.
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
  • STEVEusaPA
    STEVEusaPA Member Posts: 6,506
    What was chattering?
    steve
  • BDR529
    BDR529 Member Posts: 285
    The valve was chattering so I had to ditch it. Has to be some OEM thing on not allow "no" to be selected for the valve..

    I'm familiar with those older delay valves and timers. I keep the Suntec with the banjo bolt on the truck.

    Tried 2 controls the 7505U I thought was universal and the other Genisys that was on it.

    I got that "dealer only" feeling with this in the future. As techs we should have access to that option and use it as we see fit.

    So, right to repair on burners? Hmm...

    How far from Snap-On scan tool for burners are we?





  • BDR529
    BDR529 Member Posts: 285
    edited November 2020
    The fuel soleniod Chattering = Buzzing under your finger causing rough start-up and random lock-outs

    Must of been NOS haven't seen that style in awhile. Mounts left of transformer on burner chassis on the knock-out.
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 16,832
    Honeywell makes one like that, so does Carlin and another manufacturer whose name I can't remember. Honeywell's is the V4046A with built-in delay and V4046B without. We stock the A version as well as the Beckett kit.

    The Beckett kit routes the PD Timer cord out of the same knockout. Very convenient.
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
  • STEVEusaPA
    STEVEusaPA Member Posts: 6,506
    So if the solenoid was chattering, did you confirm it it was a power issue from the primary, bad cord/connection, or the actual solenoid valve?
    Just don't understand why you immediately ditched the valve and changed the primary.
    If it was the valve, would've seemed easier to just replace the solenoid, or put a new fuel pump w/solenoid.
    Honeywell and Carlin Promaxx both have onboard diagnostics, Carlin's is better.
    steve
  • BDR529
    BDR529 Member Posts: 285
    Solenoid was on a unit heater. The problem is not being able to select "No" for valve inatalled.

    The valve is irrelevant with this issue. This is a Genisys quirk.

    Belive it or not, still a few 8184G controls kicking around.
    When those start buzzing I can't replace it with a Genisys unless I have a Solenoid readily available.
  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 7,828
    Don't stock Genisis controls for replacement. I always stock Carlin for replacing any primary. But that was 2 years ago before I retired and sold the business.
    Edward F Young. Retired HVAC ContractorSpecialized in Residential Oil Burner and Hydronics
    MaxMercy
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 16,832
    BDR529 said:

    Belive it or not, still a few 8184G controls kicking around.
    When those start buzzing I can't replace it with a Genisys unless I have a Solenoid readily available.

    Add the solenoid. The unit will run cleaner over the course of the season.

    It is possible to set up a GeniSys to not need a solenoid, unless, as I said, it's an OEM model that is permanently programmed to need the valve.
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
    MaxMercy
  • BDR529
    BDR529 Member Posts: 285
    Non OEM Genisys will not allow me to select "No"

    Ed, in the past getting Carlin controls has been tough going for some reason. I figure it is the bean counters at the supply house.

    Will Carlin allow me to set the control as i see fit?

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