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Radiant electric ceiling heating

dscottmilner
dscottmilner Member Posts: 5
Looking for information on my electric ceiling heating system.
I must be the only person in Australia with this type of heating

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  • nicholas bonham-carter
    nicholas bonham-carter Member Posts: 8,577
    Are there some problems with it, which you wish to solve?--NBC
  • Henry
    Henry Member Posts: 998
    It is not very popular here. Nobody wants their heads heated. I had a friend that had that in a luxury home. It was the most uncomfortable heating system specialy when it got very cold.
    GreenGeneGordydscottmilner
  • GreenGene
    GreenGene Member Posts: 290
    Personally I don't like them, I see them as a fire hazard even though there seems to have been few fires attributed to them. There were some recalls but you'd have to know the brand to search it.

    It just doesn't work in a cold climate, radiant in the floor works because that's where you're feet are.

    Electric radiant in the ceiling has too long a run time and consumers usually end up with a high utility bill.
    Gordy
  • GreenGene
    GreenGene Member Posts: 290
    Here's one recall-- FLEX-HEAT CEILING HEATING SYSTEMS

    Ontario Hydro is warning homeowners that Flex-Heat electric radiant ceiling heating is dangerous and that if your house has such a system you must disconnect it immediately. Ontario Hydro says the system can fail without warning and may become a fire hazard. Most houses with Flex-Heat have a label on the electrical panel box or a label on the thermostat indicating that it is a Flex-Heat system. Some houses with Flex-Heat do not have labels. These houses can be identified as having radiant heat by the fact that the rooms are heated but have no ductwork, no radiators and no electric baseboard heaters. Most houses with radiant heat have individual room or zone thermostats. If the house has electric radiant heat and no stickers indicating that it is Flex-Heat, the attic should be inspected (under the insulation) to determine whether black plastic panels have been installed immediately above the ceiling. Flex-Heat was only installed after 1975.
  • Gordy
    Gordy Member Posts: 9,546
    GreenGene said:



    It just doesn't work in a cold climate, radiant in the floor works because that's where you're feet are.

    Electric radiant in the ceiling has too long a run time and consumers usually end up with a high utility bill.


    If you are referring to ceiling radiant in general you are dead wrong as to its performance in a any type of heating climate.
    Canucker
  • Solid_Fuel_Man
    Solid_Fuel_Man Member Posts: 2,644
    Several spec homes were build here in northern Maine in the early to mid 80's with electric radiant ceilings, to my knowledge the majority are still in service.... It was the last of "the future of energy: cheap nuclear electricity". I have been in some houses with it, the owners say it works well. Still kinda scary IMHO.

    SFM
    Serving Northern Maine HVAC & Controls. I burn wood, it smells good!
  • GreenGene
    GreenGene Member Posts: 290
    I never met anyone that liked it, that's just been my experience and here in Ct, thanks to ENRON and deregulation, we have the highest electric rates so it's very expensive to run.
  • GreenGene
    GreenGene Member Posts: 290
    edited May 2016
    If you're going to try and tell me that radiant in the ceiling is as comfortable as radiant in the floor, sorry, there is no way, and it'll be much more expensive to run, it's a ridiculous design based around it being easier and cheaper for a builder and whenever those are the two primaries in building design, the design is going to suck.
  • Gordy
    Gordy Member Posts: 9,546
    Why is it a rediculous design?

    Keep in mind hydronic.
  • GreenGene
    GreenGene Member Posts: 290
    Electric radiant in the ceiling is ridiculous unless you want to heat the floor above, like I said I never saw it work, never met anyone that lived in a house with it that liked it especially the electric bills, all they said was "what can you replace it with and what will it cost?".
  • Canucker
    Canucker Member Posts: 723
    Bad installation doesn't make ceiling radiant bad. If the floor above is getting hot, it wasn't installed properly. That's not the fault of the radiant. Granted, electric would be expensive to run.
    You can have it good, fast or cheap. Pick two
    GordySWEIGreenGene
  • Gordy
    Gordy Member Posts: 9,546
    Ceiling radiant when properly installed, and when used with an efficient delivery system (hydronics) has many benifits over floor radiant.

    Ceiling radiant is not effected by floor covering choices, furniture blocking output, lack of density due to cabinetry in kitchens, baths etc. is not limited to the 87* surface temps that floors are. Even less with wood floors. So higher outputs can be achieved with ceilings.

    Don't fall for the heat rises belief either.

    I won't disagree neutral floors are nice in barefoot areas.


    Don't forget the walls either.

    CanuckerGreenGene
  • GreenGene
    GreenGene Member Posts: 290
    edited May 2016
    I agree with hydronic, it's electric I'm focusing on. I don't think I've seen hydronic in the ceiling, walls yeah.

    I really don't think electric heating elements of any kind should be installed in the walls, floors or ceilings of any home unless the material it's imbedded in is flammable.
  • SWEI
    SWEI Member Posts: 7,348
    The electric ceiling radiant I have seen used wires embedded in either concrete or plaster. As long as there is some amount of insulation behind it, I'm quite certain that modulating it with ODR (possibly with the addition of an embedded temp sensor) would produce excellent occupant comfort levels.

    BTW, inflammable things burn quite well.
    Gordy
  • GreenGene
    GreenGene Member Posts: 290
    edited May 2016
    woops, repaired, most I've seen are the 4x8 sheetrock panels, if you go up in the attic and pull back the insulation you find straight brown lines in the paper from the heat, the other stuff I saw was a grid you stapled to the bathroom floor and tiled over it.
  • Gordy
    Gordy Member Posts: 9,546
    Zmesh is a fine product if electric is your choice. However electric is not a first choice in heating loads my neck of the woods.
    Canucker