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Power Vent Boilers
Testo Combustion Analysis Guide states that power vent equipment should not cause positive pressure in the vent pipe; but rather draw the combustion thru the heat exchanger. This seems to hold true when the pipe is short and oversized, but when the pipe is near the maximum developed length allowed by the manufacturer, there is definitely positive pressure, and diminished draft. Some types have a restictor orifice plate at the fan volute, some have adjustable dampers, some have dampers "swinging in the breeze". What kind of excess air readings should be expected, and how do we regulate it with this equipment?0 -
First thing is to make
sure to drill your test hole 18 to 24 inches away from the combustion air blower.
Combustion Air Blower functions to overcome the resistance of the heat exchanger and insure atmospheric air is brought into the burner area. The vent should have typical negative draft readings. Combustion readings should be normal as though it was a straight atmospheric burner with out fan assistance.
If a device is a power vent then it will have positive pressure in the vent. It's purpose is to create venting to over come excessive resistance created by tight sections or restrictions. The literature for the equipment should explain how to adjust those that are adjustable.0 -
Ummm, Tim...
a "power venter" is not a positive pressure device. It is why they are located at the terminus so the suction side of the venter (the vent connector)is negative. Are we talking the induced vent that we were poking around a while back vs a power vent?0 -
I should learn to
not answer questions when I am in a hurry, which I am also this AM. I will get back when I have some time and address this subject hopefully with some clarity.
The problem is often correct use of terms.0 -
My Fault
Technically. I meant to say Induced Draft Boilers. The exhaust fan is mounted to the flue collector, draws air for combustion thru the burner compartment, heat and by-products thru the heat exchanger and fanwheel and then goes positive at the connection to the vent pipe. My concern is that excess air readings vary widely between one installation and another due to the length or diameter of the vent pipe. I reviewed some I&O manuals online and none give reference to combustion analyses. PS-Dont let anyone hurry you, Tim. You are a Prince of Good Fellows.0 -
This is a difficult
subject to try to explain without a volume of words. First of all and most important is to identify what Category the equipment is Category I, II, III or IV as this identifies what pressure should be in the vent and also vent temperatures.
Fan Assisted (Category I)Annual efficiency below 84%
An Appliance equipped with an integral mechanical means to either draw or force products of combustion through the combustion chamber and or heat exchangers. It uses air from within the dwelling and the burners are atmospheric. The flue in all cases is negative pressure (not pressurized) and does not have to be a sealed system. It can use standard galvanized single wall or Type B double wall vent pipe. It can according to NFPA 54 be vented with a natural draft appliance. EX. A boiler with a storage type water heater flued together. There are however some issues with this type of dual venting, which I will not discuss here. The vent gas temperature must be above 275 degrees (F)
Forced Draft Blower is ahead of the combustion chamber; oil burner and gas conversion burner are examples.
Induced Draft blower is after the chamber.
Both Forced and Induced Draft can be Category I
Category II annual efficiency above 84% there are very few appliances that meet the criteria for this which is flue gas temp below 275 degrees (F) and negative pressure in the vent.
Category III Positive pressure in the vent flue gas temp above 275 degrees (F)these are you mid efficiency boilers and furnaces. Annual efficiency below 84%.
Category IV Positive pressure in the vent flue gas temp below 275 degrees (F) these are your high efficiency condensing boilers and furnaces. Annual efficiency above 84%.
Power Venter mechanical draft forced is a venting system in which the fan or other mechanical device is used to cause the flow of the flue or other vent gases under positive vent pressure.
The code lists Venting System - Mechanical Draft this way: A venting system designed to remove flue or vent gases by mechanical means, which may consist of an induced draft portion under nonpositive static pressure or a forced draft portion under positive static pressure.
Based on all of this when doing a combustion analysis you must know what category you are dealing with. Hopefully the manufacturer has parameters listed in the I and O manual to help you know when you have dialed in the correct combustion analysis for their equipment. When they do not then it is difficult.
I try to use these figures as a guide line:
O2 between 5 to 7 %
CO2 between 9.5% and 10%
Excess air 25 to 50%
CO under 100PPM air free unless specs state other wise.
Flue gas temps will vary as to which category
Draft readings with fan assisted should still be negative
-01, -02, -03
Do not take readings directly at the exit point of boiler and furnace with blowers involved go 18 to 24 inches up the flue pipe or PVC vent to drill your hole for testing.
If the manufacturer uses baffles adjustable or other wise or restrictors then size and length of the flue have to be factored in. As you increase length then resistance increases and draft decreases if adjustments are there use them to try to over come this problem. Or increase the size of the vent pipe. Again I would hope there are specs in the I and O manual for how long the vent should be.
An example of how tricky this can be is an Weil-McLain
CGi-6 boiler gas fired with induced draft. The vent termination is 3" it can be side wall vented using AL29-4C up to 55 feet with one elbow. It can also be vented into a chimney by increasing directly at the termination on the power venter to 5" vent. When side wall vented it is Category III when chimney vented it is Category I.
Nobody said this was easy.
I hope this makes it a little clearer for you. It helps when I teach this to be able to have actual examples of equipment to show this all in operation.0 -
Something else
to help clear this up:
There are two types of induced draft devices one is direct the other indirect.
Direct is where the fan will discharge all the air that it recieves ending in a positive discharge after the device. This type is a POWER VENTER.
The indirect is where the fan is placed into the flow to create turbulence. With the indirect method positive discharge may not take place. This type of unit is best described as a DRAFT INDUCER.0 -
Reason I ask
Just about every day I come across another "Induced Draft" boiler that has Stainless exiting the structure, but regular 4" galvy from the blower over to the stainless. I know stainless must be used from the blower on out, but around these parts nobody enforced the code, and the installers are too cheap to do it right. Sometimes they put silver tape on some of the joints, sometimes not. The elbows rust out at the "gores" and the positive pressure pushes CO out into the dwelling. Combine that with way too much developed length, and you got weak draft, 1150 ppm in the vent, 600 ppm in the boileroom, and 35 ppm in the childs playroom just outside the door........0
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