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Did your Dad drive you into heating, if so how'd HE get into it?
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Wayco Wayne_2
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was an electrical Engineer for IBM his whole life. I kid him that he invented the computer, but he was around while important things were going on. He was subbed out by IBM to design the control computer for the Gemini Space project at one point. I never thought I was like him until I found I had an affinity for controls and wiring. He set an example of fixxing things around the house that always seemed normal to me. After he fixxed somthing, I'd ask him, what was wrong with it, and more often than not he'd say. I don't know. I took it apart and put it back together and it worked. Ha! I also would spend a week or two in the Summer at my Uncles dairy farms. Everything was repaired back then. It was taken for granted. I remember my Uncle fixxing a baling machine right out in the field. Took it apart and brought the bad part to a local welder for repair. Was back operating the same day getting the bales up in the loft. They would also repair the house, the cars, the fence or the furnace. All the while the womenfolk were cooking up the next feast. I LOVED my time spent in the country. I never felt comfortable in school pushing paper. Working with my hands is what I had grown up with and it seemed the right way to be. WW
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and if not how did you get into it?
For example: my late dad (HVAC engineer 50 yrs.) grew up in a cold water flat NYC lower east side early 1920s. The only heat was gas powered kitchen stove that ate nickels. Ventilation wasnt even a word. Some uncles in family had TB and died; he survived a bad case of pneumonia. At five years old, he loved to watch men working and building things in the neighborhood. Moved to ozone park the country for better air for his sickly younger sister. Next door lived a genius who made tools and had patents on a few; my dad used to help him. Another worker from Brooklyn Union Gas was a friend of the family and he and my father worked on many projects together. I think that confluence of events influenced him more than he knew. He was a stickler for ventilation, even a 20cu ft closet he designed for my city apartment years later.
His parents railroad apartment had a few rooms that never warmed in winter, so while he was working as a pipefitter at the Navy Yard he repiped the entire house from the old coal steam boiler. I think with him it was the challenge of solving the problem and of course partly the family acclaim that it earned him. Though his parents wanted him to go to medical school, he was fortunate to have access to those skilled tradesmen who helped him get better at what he really wanted to do. He was the first person in his family to go to college, the first to have a really marketable skillhis dad was a hatter who had a hell of a time in the Depression. Heating was a matter of life and death then, and still is. Love to hear from some wallies about what motivated them to go into this field.
I never had interest in the field early on, but when I was involved with a coop in the city he was a tremendous help (along with Dans books and other boiler manufacturer engineers and heating specialists) in enhancing and balancing the buildings steam system. I got to understand him better and appreciated how his problem-solving mind worked. Whether in a coop or my own house Ive learned I have to be as informed as possible. I never considered this as a profession but some knowledge sure comes in handy. Glad the wall is around to enhance that knowledge. Ill bet half the wallies had Dads in the business.
David
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Dad
Yep....dad, grandfather and great-grandad all plumbers and heating guys. Being fourth generation, it was in my blood. Started working summers age 10 (1958) as a boiler brush. Cleaned 20 commercial boilers every summer. Dad was as serice plumber mostly, so I learned a lot about trouble shooting and problem solving. Thankfully, in those days, it was "if it's broke, fix not" not like today's "if it's broke replace it" mentality....learn a lot of stuff that I still use today. but the love of heating came from my first full time job in the industry as a plumber's helper and the first heating install we did. An old timer taught me about combustion and showed me how to do a combustion test, and the spark was lit to get into heating, and the rest is history. Thanks Dad !!!
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Two lumps of coal at Christmas ,..and the job was his.0 -
My father started dating the woman he would eventually marry just before the Pearl Harbor attack back in the early 1940's. After the war ended and he came home, they married and shortly afterward I came along, and my brother shortly after that. As luck would have it, he married a plumbers daughter, and accepted a job " only temporarily". That lasted untill 1960 when Pop got his master plumbers license in NYC and went out on his own. During my high school years i worked Saturdays, Summer vacations and every other day off from school was a day of being a plumbers helper. Then came my time in Viet Nam and after that I got my masters license in 1975. Now during those days of tugging on wrenches, we accommodated the small residential market, one and two families in Queens. "Fix-My-Leak" calls renovations and naturally gas heat installations. Now I'm not one to brag, but we were called upon many times to re-install a BUG job the right way after the origional installer tried to cut too many corners.
Pop isn't alive any longer, and the family business went bye-bye also. I now work out of a shop in Queens installing appartment house and school boilers. [Just love those 8 & 10 " headers, boiler feed tanks, & 4" copper domestic water.]
As for my son, a Junior in HS [yep, my change of life baby] well he worked last Summer with me on twin 200 HP steam boiler replacement, twin 132 HP, and eight 2,000,000 BTU hot water boilers for DHW only, all in one project in Coney Island. He likes the job and the money, but now his interest is turning to cars. What's next ???Girls???
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Graduated from high school by the skin of my teeth.HATED SCHOOL. Didn't really know whatI wanted to do---something mechanical. I was going to a local community colledge to sign up for "automotive". The old man told me NO,"Your taking heating and air conditioning your not going to be a grease monkey like your cousin". So I got bitten by the oil burner bug.
Naturally, after cleaning boilerrs all summer I was dirtier than my cousin ever got.
My brother got the same "sales pitch" and has been a stationary engineer for 30 years.
I still laugh about it.
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Dad early on
had me working on the cars in the yard I hated auto & small engine mechanics, then got me working the fishing boats as a teen, at eighteen he had me build a house just so I knew how it was done. At nineteen I was working road construction with him and one winter I went to work driving an oil truck, A few years later they sent me to school 28 years later I'm still at it oil/lp.0 -
My Dad
Dad became very handy around the house out of necessity. Not much money, four young sons, a supportive wife, and a desire to work independently.
He was doing odd jobs at the time mostly. A neibhor had no heat and he was able to fix their GE downfired boiler. Soon after he called the local oil company to fix his own leaky GE boiler. The tech and later the salesman suggested he had to replace the boiler. Dad instead went to the local hardware store and picked up some rubber gasket material. That day he fix the 'unrepairable' boiler for about three dollars and learned a valuable lesson.
Within two weeks five or six oil companies found out Dad could fix these 'exotic' GE oil burners/boilers. After a year in his own heating business he was doing the 'hard to fix' jobs for fourteen oil companies.
Every time I do something mechanical I am reminded of Dad. His guidance could be downright annoying as a child. However, his persistance on making sure we did things right are still good advise today. He has an unusual way of teaching, thankfully I think a lot like him and got used to it at an early age. My three brothers did not always think in the same way. They all worked for Dad at one time, but decided go in business on their own.
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My Dad's solar passion
During the energy crises in the late 70s my father was kind of obsessed with solar energy. He didn't have a background in plumbing or heating, but did all the repairs around the house. He would talk endlessly about solar space heating. He made me ask my Vocational school teachers about it and when I got my first plumbing job he had me ask my bosses why solar space heating won't work. When I reported back with their negative responses he would just grumble and say there has to be a way. I'll never forget the day he put garden hoses all over the roof and made me feel the hot water coming out, a common sense approach. It took almost 30 years to sink in but I now share his passion. I wish I could talk to him about low temp radiant systems because he would be jumping up and down. Rest in peace Dad, Bobby Gagnon
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3rd gen..
My grandfather started the business just before the depression era... My father learned the rope as he went along, in later part of grandpa's life, he got a gravity hot water heating system, my dad hand threaded those 3" pipes, the system,etc.... He said to himself,"there's got to be a better and easier way"... Behold, came along the B&G circ. pumps for household and smaller pipes, using treading machine... Grandpa saying it was too easy and spoiled... Years went by, I got into the trades, I still remisced about my dad would always lugs the electric cords and have it ready while I pulled the battery powered drill out... "Too easy" he would say and left me winding up the cords anyway... The last part was he was FINALLY convinced that pumping away was the proper way to go and changed the way of boiler pipings.... Proved that old dogs can learn new tricks.... Thanks Dad, and still learning...0 -
Dad
My dad Paul Sutton, he was a plasterer, hands were rock hard from the lime...when you got a spanking (which i got many
you knew you got it....he was a work-aholic 7 days a week ,till dark every night...he had us working weekends when i was 11..i watched it kill him , and knew thats not what i wanted to do...so instead i'm a heataholic ....hmmm must be in the blood. he died in 1990 miss him alot.....
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Great thread guys
David- Thanks for starting it!
My dad was a hydraulic engineer, designing valves for gantries supporting the Mercury Redstone and Atlas boosters among more pedestrian persuits. When I was three and a half (1961) he went to Cape Canaveral for the Alan Shepard launch. Naturally in my small world there was only ONE man on earth -besides the President-, plus my dad was from New Hampshire, was in the Navy, so that just HAD to be my dad up in the capsule... I had convinced my nursery class apparently that my dad was an astronaut... the logic could not be disputed...
Later my dad took me to work for the day, years before this became fashionable... my dad- an engineer! I waited patiently sitting at a table drawing while he did the same, wondering when the heck we were going to go ride on the trains.... Man, was I disappointed.....
In the end, I really just fell into engineering by other circumstances, not to follow in his footsteps necessarily. But the lessons he taught me ring today and I still seek his advice. Thanks, Dad- I love you.0 -
3rd generation
My Dad learned the trade from my Great Uncle John. Apparently dad was working for another uncle who was a carpenture. Dad didn't like the fact he couldn't use his eye ball to plum and square things up. That's when he quit and went to work for Uncle John. I worked for Uncle John vacations thru high school. After I announced college wasn't in my horizon and burger flipping was over Dad brought me to work. He told the boss that I was available for $3.50 an hour. That was in 1979 and altho I don't install the systems anymore I get to lay out, design and sell. Neither my father or my uncle ever encouraged me to follow in their footsteps but I have a special bond with both thru the business. Both are excellent mechanics who managed to pass along the gift of being able to picture the end product before picking up a tool.
Did I mention none of us met a system or product we wouldn't work on?
I owe them a great deal, Thank You Dad and Great Uncle John0
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