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Josh_10
Josh_10 Member Posts: 786
Just wondering if anyone else works on bigger steamers too. Say 600HP+ I would love to share fun stories.

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  • Christian Egli_2
    Christian Egli_2 Member Posts: 812
    That's for more than 80000 EDR, enough for a few radiators

    That calls for a little oversize on a regular home heating system... :) There are several people here who know a lot about electric power plants and that's yet another league.

    How much continuous combustion analysis trim do you do on this boiler?
  • Guy_6
    Guy_6 Member Posts: 450
    Mills

    We manufacture the Mills boilers, which run up to 417 HP. Honestly, to me that's big enough to make me nervous.....
  • Brad White_86
    Brad White_86 Member Posts: 3
    What, Christian?

    You don't heat with a Babcock & Wilcox Water Tube Boiler? What's up with that? I was impressed for a while...

    :)
  • Brad White_86
    Brad White_86 Member Posts: 3
    Just one small story...

    I designed a couple of 3 mW steam turbine replacements, for Dartmouth College in the early 1990's. They use 460 PSIG steam and the exhaust at 20 PSIG goes to heat the campus. Big water tube boilers, I forget the make.

    During the ASME steam blow (mirror plate test to clear the turbine feed line) the exhaust was sent up an abandoned chimney to safe atmosphere. You should have heard the roar!
    It was somewhat dry out, crisp, clear and cold, temperatures in the low single-digits.

    About a quarter mile away, an otherwise clear athletic field was dusted with snow from the process... that really stuck with me.
  • Al Letellier_9
    Al Letellier_9 Member Posts: 929
    big steamers

    Here's a good one...biomass boiler at local paper mill. Was working on maintenance crew all the time it was being built....nine stories tall and hanging in the building. Burns 1500 cord of wood and 750 tons of coal a day, generating 685,000 cubic feet of steam per hour at 1300 PSI. Steam runs two large turbines and the waste steam (650 PSI) feeds the mill......just a little steamer.
    Amazing the support piping, high pressure feed pumps, water treatment systems. Got a good education on high pressure boiler. It was a Babcock/Wilcox and went on line in 1983 and is still pumping out the steam.

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  • Christian Egli_2
    Christian Egli_2 Member Posts: 812
    A big laugh

    Ah, but, my vacuumizer is something else worth sucking up to. Perhaps I shall regain some of your esteem? It is a VC series...

    Thanks, Brad, for thinking about me :)
  • one of the job

    One of the job I'm working on now have steam boliers that my heating engineer first saw it, " my gawsh, its the same boiler that they use to power steam ships!" Trying to figured the firing rate and will have to change it if we take the steam load off from old building.. Changing from steam to hot water... Wallies, pls another thread on this.....
  • Josh_10
    Josh_10 Member Posts: 786


    Christian by the way you aske the O2 trim question I have to assume you are from the UK am I right? The answer is yes I have set up alot of boilers with O2 trim. The 600HP range is a tough sell to make but we almost always use O2 trim in the 1000+ HP range. We use the Autoflame system manufactured in London.

    The autoflame allows us to use 6 seperate chanels for servo motors or freq. drives to drive air, fuels, FGR, and atomizing steam or air. The new ultra low NOx burners from Todd and Gordon Piatt (same company) forced us to use even more servos. Some of the steam ships require two servos just for the fuel to burn a combination of fish oil and marine grade fuel oil. O2 trim doesn't work in that application.

    My specialty is upgrading instrumentation and burner retro-fit in the 100-5000HP range. I have seen some pretty crazy stuff. That is why I am shying away from start ups and other dangerous tasks and focusing on the retro-fit side of things. I just couldn't continue on that path once my son was born.

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  • Brad White_9
    Brad White_9 Member Posts: 2,440
    Mr. Egli only

    writes with a British accent, am I correct? :)
  • Josh_10
    Josh_10 Member Posts: 786


    Am I right? Actually the reason I asked is because of the wording as he refers to the O2 trim. I have only met englishmen who phrase it that way.

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  • Josh_10
    Josh_10 Member Posts: 786


    Are you trying to convert a water tube boiler to a hot water boiler? I have only seen water tubes used for ship propulsion. Sometimes however on the deisel tankers I see 600HP scotch marines used for heat. Can you describe this boiler I may be able to help you?

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  • Brad White_9
    Brad White_9 Member Posts: 2,440
    I use the term O2 trim

    as well, but my English roots are over 380 years out of date :)

    Actually the term "trim" has several meanings (pipe down Jersey guys- I am not going there!)

    I use it to denote any small instrumentation and associated piping. Sir Christian the Erudite may elaborate.

    Cheers!

    Brad
  • Anna Conda
    Anna Conda Member Posts: 121


    Largest I've worked on is 300 hp steam, industrial process. Worked on some similar sized HW boilers, too. Participated in the change-out of two big HW firetubes, replaced with 5 little Teledyne-Laars copper-tubes (heating plant for a 12-storey apartment building)
  • Josh_10
    Josh_10 Member Posts: 786


    Well I have alot of crazy stories a couple of minor furnace explosions (not caused by me) and I have seen the aftermath of a superheater explosion. But my favorite story is the first time my son came to lend a hand in the boiler room. He was about 10 hours old. I just happened to be retro-fitting three 1200 HP Keeler water tubes with Coen Delta NOx burners and new instrumentation at the same hospitol we had our son was born at.

    My wife had complications in the days leading up to birth (toximia) so I would work for a few hours and check up on her from time to time. After he was born my father in law brought little Hunter down for a visit.

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  • Christian Egli_2
    Christian Egli_2 Member Posts: 812
    Maybe it's pronounced treem, to allow for an accent

    Looking back for cryptic clues in my post, I notice I did not talk about my Hooverizer but my vaccumizer.

    This beats me, I have never known it to be a typically British word but I guess it does make us all sound much smarter. Autoflame is from the UK, so is Invensys, it thus makes sense they would put their twist on the technology. Cleaver-Brooks also speaks of oxygen trim.

    The dictionary is the erudite one here, to trim is a verb that has many meanings. We trim our Christmas tree by adding much frilly decoration. We trim hats and boilers the same way by customizing them with whatever fancies us. Now, we can also trim hair... but, I won't go down there either.

    Lots of people here in Dayton talk about airplanes -and stabilizer trim. So do people who make boats float. This use of trim has to do with cutting and balancing some parameters for optimal performance. Of course, staying afloat in our ankle deep Great Miami River doesn't require much sophisticated control at all, nevertheless, I take it oxygen trim has got to be an adaptation of this meaning.

    The Wright brothers did test their engine no. 3 down on the river, and happily, it did not sink. There must be something for good trim.

    We do continuous combustion analysis in all our modern car engines; it follows we should do it too for all our fuel burners. Eventually, we will. We will again, because worrying about excess air was already an obsession of our old Dead Men. Reading their old books on coal firing you get the clear message you shouldn't mess around keeping the fuel door open long.

    Thanks for the good fun. Did I answer any questions?

    :)
  • josh

    The present boliers making steam for old convent and church and thru heating exchanger converting to hot water for newer part of buildings... The boilers are Sun Ray and will be making numerous trips to get the datas radaitors sizing, etc.. I will give ya the burners specs and job progress for the wallies addicts...
  • Christian Egli_2
    Christian Egli_2 Member Posts: 812
    Proud parenting

    You seem equally proud of your son and your boiler, congratulations. You all look great. Good job.

    Won't it be hysterically funny, when you'll just need to produce a picture of some cool boiler to calm little Hunter during a colicky night?

    I'm happy for you.


  • Glen
    Glen Member Posts: 854
    OH2 trim

    It's not often I hear the phrase. My master plumber/fitter hailed from Yorkshire and at times we had up to 7 or 8 yorkies on the crew (wonder why). He used the term regularly - even on smaller steamers. Recently on a BW boiler of 18 000 HP - OH2 trim was set to 4.5% with a max of 5%. I was the startup gas fitter of record. Nice burners - Coen's - 15 million pilot, 325 000 000 main gas. First firings of boilers of this size make me smile! Lots!It was a hoot. 197 interlocks if I recall. Nat gas over hog fuel - now fires on hog most days - with enough residual power to feed all power requirements of a 1000 TPD pulp mill and the local electrical grid. That's true co gen!
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