Apprentices

Josh_10

If an appretice has had some trade experience and knows tools we pay $10.00-$12.00 an hour here north of Seattle.. Will pay more if they are clean cut and ambitious. Even more if they are married.(just kidding)

Jamie_6

Where do your apprentices start on the pay scale?

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Rookie

Wages

A minimum of $20.00 per hour to start, ( at least off the coast of Massachusetts )with benefits after 6 months, also possible sign on bonus.

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ScottMP

????

For an apprentice that has NO experience that you are going to train for four years ???

Man and I thought I was a good boss

That sounds pretty generous Jim.

Scott

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Brian (Tankless)

We've come a looooonnnnng way, baby

My first "paypacket" (cash in an envelope) as an electrical apprentice in the coal mines of North East England, was Five Pounds, twelve shillings & sixpence for an ENTIRE WEEK, about $15 at the time

And, getting a job in "The Pits" then, was far from easy, because getting over five & a half quid a week for a 15 yr old was considered great money ????

Those were the "Good old days"...I think.

76* here already, what happened to spring?

Later, Brian.

Weezbo

5~L 12s. 6d. = closer to 15.86 US$. *~/:)

You were paid way more than you were worth ))

And the boss let you know it! ) those were the days

Bill Nye_2

Ct wages

In Connecticut the wage law states something to the effect that the apprentice will start out at 50% of the journeymans wage . and that pay increase will be awarded every 6 mos. if the candidate is showing any improvement.

I'm sure you could look it up somewhere on the Internet. Search the labor dept. site for your state.

singh

Union scale

I don't know if this has changed are not, but as a first year apprentice I received
minimum wage. They say to supposedley to weed out the undesirables. After six months it went to @30% of journeymans wages plus benefits, by the fith year we were up to 80% or around $25.00 in the envelope. This was more than 15 years ago in the NYC local so I don't know if it has changed. I will tell you this half of my starting class droped out the first six months. By the time I graduated 5 years later only three of the original remained.

Around here $10.00 bucks for a green kid is not bad.

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J.C.A._3

Singh,

I agree. This will seperate the wheat from the chaf. I too worked for slave wages when starting, but thank the Good Lord, the boss saw some potential and the ability to think on my feet.

Having come from the service, and a blue collar backround I seemed to fit in nicely with HIS plan. After a few months of being a vaccuum jockey, I was offered a slot at the New England Fuel Institute, with pay while attending and the full time 1 month classes, which were also paid for by him.(quite an investment too!)

I couldn't have asked for a better education or opportunity. He saw it right, and I ended up working for Frank for 16 and1/2 years. My starting pay???? 5.25/hr in 1985.

Granted, the scale went up once we both decided that I was a good fit....but not like the green guys expect right out of high school now. I like the time tested 3 month trial period. If they're still around and moving forward, give them a raise and keep it going....as long as THEY do. Once they prove they want to learn, find/figure out their strenghths and weaknesses and work with them.
If they're asking for too much right out of the box, they better at least be able to handle tools and think like a worker....NOT a Boss! MHO. Chris

singh

When men were men

I too got a liitle extra on the side after three weeks or so, boss said I deserved it.
I left a non-union jobbing shop at 10.00 bucks an hour to go union at 5 and change.
These days , everyone says you have to pay more etc.. to find more employees and keep them blah,blah blah..
My opinion is if you want better pay and benefits, prove it! first!
Problem with kids today,they want to start at the top of the ladder, no matter what trade/career. I always get a kick out of those college kids thinking they're going to start at 100 grand a year. I told this to my younger brother,4 years later well .. let's just say he's still looking for that dream job.


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Wayco Wayne_2

Back in 72

I started in the trade at 3.50 an hr. (and gas was .42 a gallon. Boy am I geezing or what? By the time I went into business for myself I was up to 13 an hour with my former emplyer. Things have changed by golly. WW

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Robert O'Connor_12

Jamie

Rates and wages for apprentices are based on a percentage of a journeymen's wages.

First year = 45% of Journeymen's Wages

Second year = 50% of Journeymen's Wages

Third year = 60% of Journeymen's Wages

Fourth year = 70% of Journeymen's Wages

Fifth year = 80% of Journeymen's Wages


Robert O'Connor/NJ

Brian (Tankless)

Forgot to mention

That paypacket was placed un-opened on the kitchen table, every Friday night for about two years. My Mother opened it & gave me back pocket money, 10 bob (shillings) about $2.25 then, to last a week.

Dad & Mom didn't buy me a truck either, I rode a bike to work summer & winter until I saved enough to buy my first motorbike, a Royal Enfield 250 "Clipper".

You're right, Wheez, my boss didn't have much time for me, and gave me some sh*&%y jobs to do. I didn't know it at the time, but he resented that my Mom grew up with, and was a very good freind of the mine Electrical Sup't/Eng'.

I showed him, I became the 2nd youngest fully indentured "Electrician-of-the-Mine" (Journeyman) in the U.K a month before my 20th birthday. That was July 1969.

The youngest, was my buddy at the same Pit, Dave Mooney, he was born four days before me :O)

The five loveliest words I've ever heard "I'm proud of you Son". Thanks Dad, RIP.

Time for a Coors.

Thanks for bringing back the memories, fellas.

Brian.

Rookie

Cost of Living is high

I know it sounds crazy Scott, but starting pay generally starts at $20.00 per hour, out here you can’t find someone to clean your house for under $25.00 per hour. A starter home can cost $450,000.00 and up, so unless you find someone living with their parents, you have to start the pay scale high, try to get them trained and billable as soon as possible. I figure in the apprentice and their training as overhead, wrap it into the overall business cost. For the record as a forth year licensed journeyman plumber I was taking home a whooping $11.50 per hour, but then again my first house cost $115,000.00.

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Weezbo

It is good to remember those silver thrupences hapennys

and farthings. Thanks *~/:)

you will likely like this story....

a retired chief master sergeant in the air force hired me on a couplea few years ago.....at premium wages of 7$ an hour....ok maybe more than a couple anyway, one evening about7p.m. or so i was heading home and had struck up a conversation with him on some help he had hired on to help me this conversation turned to earlier days...he told me of a time when he and his father would shovel coal into a train cart,22 tons of coal for one dollar .

that is clearly the definition of a days work....

that is a reason i think it is a good thing to bust out some work for people of an earlier generation just for the heck of it from time to time:) this one lady ask me well how much is it? i said "well,...I'd like to see a dollar,buh it isn't absolutely necessary" she came back with a banana some soup and a dollar that's from an earlier time in my twenties

ScottMP

Hey Geezer

I was 2.85 an hour and Jimmy Carter raised the minimum wage to $ 3.00 so I got a quick raise.

I think there is give and take in this. An apprentice is receiving an education and a wage, while the employer must support him while not charging for his not producing on some jobs. Tough to charge for a young man who is standing there watching.

Scott

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Brian (Tankless)

Banana, soup & a

dollar...Priceless.

Thanks Wheez.

The buzz I get from doing similar deeds far outweighs the very real need I had for just a dollar at a time when two dollers would have solved my money problems

I feel good today, thanks.

Gotta go fix a window frame & re-install a window unit. Thanks Rita, Katrina's ugly sister.

Most of the country doesn't know that we are still lifting & cutting fallen trees off roofs down here.

Gotta go now.

Brian.

P.S. the threhpenny bit was a yellowy-brass colour , the sixpence was silver & about the size of a dime. Heaven, was getting sixpence pocket money from my uncle Joe.

Weezbo

hey i still work for free*~/:)

no sence standing about with your hands in your pockets