Home energy costs

Tundra

There are gas burner options for the Biasi. If you want to use propane you need to order it with the proper orofice. Best check out the propane prices first. They are usually much higher than oil.

Wayco Wayne_2

With projected

cost increases of nat gas in the DC area being projected at an 50% increase this Winter, I have been looking into alternatives to the standard residential installations. I am assisted by my Wrightsoft audit program that allows me to take my heat/cooling loads to an energy projected cost screen where I can pick different equipment and play what if. I am astounded by what it is telling me and I wonder if I have done somthing wrong. I have compared systems in a house that has a 70000 btu heat load with a 3 ton A/C. I have compared running an 80 furnace with 14 SEER A/C to an 80% furnace with a 14 SEER Heat Pump, (9.1 HSFP) in a dual fuel set up, change over at 35 degrees, outside temperature. The program is telling me my customer will save 800 dollars over the year in heating costs using the heat pump. Seems like a lot more than I expected. Does this line up with what you know??? I am not confident with this program yet but if this is true there is a chance for big savings. WW

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Wayco Wayne_2

By the Way

Electricity costs .05 cents a KW in this area. Nat gas is currently .95 per therm. WW

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Tony_23

Sounds right to me

I wish we had .05/kwh electric, ours runs .15

You should be able to use a HP closer to 20F also. That will save even more.

My EZHeatloss program has the same feature and it's usually quite accurate with the right info input. It is wrong when modulation is thrown into the mix, but we know why

Wayco Wayne_2

Whoops

elec costs .07 per KW. Not a big difference. We be burning coal for that stuff. Hope I aint causing acid rain and mercury in fish while I cool my house. I'm sure the CEO of the power company would reassure me. Noooo way Wayne. We burn special coal in a special way. You just go back to sleep everything be fine. :O ! WW

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Weezbo

its 4 a.m. here What on Earth i am doing up at this hour*~/:)

man there has GOT to be an easier way to make a living

Wayco Wayne_2

Any other input????

??????? WW

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Mike T., Swampeast MO

Difference between 5¢ and 7¢ is quite significant.

At 7¢ your calculated savings drop to $480

Steamhead (in transit)

Does the advertised gas price per therm

include all applicable taxes and fees? I bet it doesn't. That's how gas utilities make gas look cheaper than oil. When I figured everything into the gas company's price in the Baltimore area just before Katrina, oil had a significantly cheaper bottom line.

They probably do the same with electricity, but I haven't gotten into that yet.

Wayco Wayne_2

Yikes

After reading your post I looked closer at my bill. They charge a .3457 per therm distribution charge. A "system Charge" I guess that must be pipe from the source to the house maintenance of 10.20. The county has an "energy charge" of.0437891 per therm. It adds up to $ 1.74 after all of the extrra charges. What an education.

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Wayco Wayne_2

Mike

What do you use to compare systems? WW

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Tundra

.05/KWh? .07/ KWh? Try on .32/KWh. That does factor in the surcharges.
P.S. Gas $3.77/ gal. at the cheap place.

Wayco Wayne_2

Tundra

My electric bill was 198 dollars and I used 2808KW. My math gives me .0705128 or roughly 7 cents per KW. Is my math correct?

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jerry scharf_3

tiered rate structures

WW,

Sorry, you need to go to the utility web site and read what your rates really are. Depending on the utility, there are tiers, so the first so many KWh cost x, then next cost y... Same can be true for gas.

So you need to see where you are at in the price structure and compute the costs at the bulk level that the new load would add.

I wold also not be the ranch that those electric charges won't go up. You are designing a system that will last for 10-20 years at a minimum. What is the likelyhood that these rates will last that long? A whole bunch of people got screwed by getting all electric houses in the mid 70s when there was a price situation like this. Once everything came to a more historic norm, they were left with huge utility bills.

just food for thought,
jerry

Maine doug_12

Electric rates

I could live with .07 since our bumbling state gov has managed to push rates to .14/kwh.
Maybe it is time to compare local propane to oil since I have two boilers. Perhaps one could operate on Propane and one on oil whichever fuel was lower in cost. Of course that presumes that a propane burner could be fitted to the Biasi.