Burnham MPO and Weil Ultra oil

J.C.A._3

How nuts are you going to go?

Awaiting some photos of this one....Chris

Unknown

Anyone know

when these new products will be available in local heating supply stores that carry those brands ? I'll be replacing my old boiler this summer and want to put in top of the line . Thanks .

Unknown

Very soon Ron!

The Burnham MPO will begin to ship to the distributors within weeks. Here is a sneak preview of only one of the things you were asking for! Factory installed leveling legs are standard with this one. This one is shown bolted down to the diamond plate floor in the display truck.

Glenn Stanton

Manager of Training

Burnham Hydronics

www.burnham.com

Tom M.

I've heard September or October for the Ultra.

I've heard September or October for the Ultra.

Unknown

I scrapped that idea

when I saw how hard it would be to pex the walls in my home . Right now the plans are to do a radiant floor in the bathroom , and if that works out well the kitchen also . We have 2 zones of baseboard , eseentially wrapped around the whole home . I was going to put the existing Peerless to the ultimate test - full reset , and see how long it'll last . But I got no time to tinker . I want to do it once and do it right . I'll be sure to take some progress pics ( if it comes out OK .

Unknown

Very nice

Many times it's a real **** to level a boiler on the unlevel ground . Great engineering with the tapered legs of the V8 block . The levelling legs bring us one step further .

The MPO is the front runner of my preferences . Cost will be a factor , as well as the size and where the tappings are situated . I need to fit the boiler and an indirect under my stairs . I hope the travelling show gets here soon , can't wait to see this baby in action . Thanks Glenn .

Unknown

Check your e-mail Ron

and also bear in mind that the 3-pass boilers have no provisions for a tankless heater.

Glenn Stanton

Manager of Training

Burnham Hydronics

www.burnham.com

Unknown

Too late

I'm definitely doing this before August . I want to keep my next seasonal fuel tally as low as possible this coming year .

lchmb

From

What I've heard and seen for expected fuel costs you definately want to have it done!! And tighten up the house as much as possible. I think it's going to be a hard winter for alot of folks...:(

Dave Palmer_3

don't wimp out...

you are going to built a 3x4 closet with a 2foot door first to install it in right? Dave

Ken_8

Ron,

The Monitor FCX is the only condensing oil boiler that is viable. I am building a home in northern VT where the design temperature is -30° My first and only choice is THAT boiler.

There are known problems with all condensing oil boilers in that the sulfur levels in fuel oil is dependent upon where the oil comes from and how it is refined. Since dealers do not control the actual hole the oil comes out of, nor for that matter does the refinery, we have the problem of simple trace amounts of sulfur to oil that is laden with the stuff.

Of course the problem with sulfur is both the scale that forms - as well as the sulfuric acid that is created. I am prepared to put in the boiler, knowing it may have to be cleaned twice a year if the source is high in sulfur but with oil at well over 2 bucks a gallon and propane over 3, I will save enough money by running at 96% efficiency over an 86% "conventional" unit to justify the cost.

What is the cost? I'll share that with you privately in and e-mail if you want to hear about my "deal of the decade."

BTW, this boiler has been around for a long time, and is available for ship[ment upon a phone call.

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Michal

here is some literautre on ultra oil

here is a email I got from a co worker

Unknown

Ken

Just to clear things up a bit, the MPO is NOT a condensing boiler. It is able to handle low temperature return water without condensing with internal temperature blending. Simple technology with off the shelf components that can be obtained almost anywhere.

Glenn Stanton

Manager of Training

Burnham Hydronics

www.burnham.com

Ken_8

We know that...

Neither is the W/M Ultra oil jobbie.

But I am puzzled as to why manufacturer's are touting a non-condensing boiler that can run @ 100° return water temps without damage, when any boiler can run from 100 to 140 with simple bypass piping or thermostatic bypass.

Not trying to be more of a cynic than already reputed to be; the real problem is efficiency, not low temp destructive issues which are already easy to address.

Wassupwitdat?

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Unknown

Well....I suppose

the reasoning is based on providing a good product without the self-destruction characteristics that condensing oil by-products provide, equipped with more state of the atr technology and at a very reasonable price. The bulk of installers would prefer to have an appliance that will provide longevity (limited lifetime warranty), simplicity, ease to service, non-proprietary controls and good company support. Granted you will be saving fuel with the condensing oil boiler.....but at what cost when it will need to be replaced again 8 to 10 years from now or maybe sooner.

I'm more interested in your Northern NE home Ken. Is this going to be a vacation home or are you evacuating the state of New Jersey?

Glenn Stanton

Manager of Training

Burnham Hydronics

www.burnham.com

Ken_8

Glenn,

I understand the marketing, which is always all we need to know anyhow, isn't it...

Regarding the house in VT; we have a small A-frame on the top of a mountain we own and love it so much we plan to retire there. We're both 62 and son Scotty will take over and run Palmer as we move from NJ to Enosburg Falls VT, about a seven iron from Canada.

I will continue to consult, teach for GAMA I=B=R, and stay active locally in the edge of The Northeast Kingdom writing for the local rags, trying to break 100, and get back into my very first love - music (classical & jazz)

Thanks for asking.

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Unknown

Good for you!

You may want to practice up on your French a bit if you plan on listening to the radio or watch TV though being that close to Canada. Enjoy!

Glenn Stanton

Manager of Training

Burnham Hydronics

www.burnham.com

Kevin__Flynn

Ken I am nearly speechless

a couple of months ago you spent several days here on the wall lecturing us all of the evils of European Boiler Manufacturers and their business practices.

"Why not support the US manufacturers?", you asked us (paraphrasing here).

Finnaly, what should be right up your alley, a couple of US manufacturers (Burnham & Weil) step up to the plate and build a triple-pass well insulated boiler, and you decide to tout, of all things, a French Boiler.

Have you ever considered a future in politics?

By the way as I'm sure you know, the best condensing oil boiler on the planet will not create a drop of condensation until the return temps drop below 117 degrees F. That means unless the boiler sees 117 or less it will be under 90% eff.


Kevin Flynn

Ken_8

Dear clueless,

Kevin, you wrote,

"By the way as I'm sure you know, the best condensing oil boiler on the planet will not create a drop of condensation until the return temps drop below 117 degrees F. That means unless the boiler sees 117 or less it will be under 90% eff."

Look at what you wrote above - and get back to us when you understand the most basic principals of condensing boilers.

RE: "Buying American". There is no option of buying an American made oil-fired condensing boiler. The only one that comes close is the Monitor FCX. The boiler block may be made in Europe, BUT THE BURNER COMES FROM THE GOOD OLE US OF A!

Unless of course Long Island, NY has been stolen by the French?





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