Europe

Blue

Well I spent 22 years in the US before being almost paralized on my left side. No deal here excepted that I lost all income no one to turn to and had to come back to France, my "home" country. As a "good wet head", I started to search about the fuss in Europe when it comes to heat and even plumbing.
I have seen wall mount boilers at a 90+ AFUE with hot water makers and outdoor resets in the most modest homes. I have seen geothermal units cooling and warming floors. I have heard about controls that could give something to think about to some US manufacturers. I have seen wind powered heating and electricity devices. When they reach a certain level thay sell the power back to the local utility. Neat Uh?
The wind does it all and over here there is plenty of it.
I had the sadness to see the mom and pa businesses runnning their show by accidents and yes clients wanting to remodel those 300 years old home walking around with cauldrons, filled with money, like the Ancient Mariners, and could not find anyone having the time to do the works.
Hmmm.... this tells me something. (Hi Dan)

Thanks

Blue

Mad Dog_2

And........could you be a little more specific, Blue........

Your point is floating out there...Mad Dog

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Blue

Hello
Yes the point might be floating out there. Viesmann Wall hung boilers are very frequent for a modest homes. They blend perfectly in the kitchen. No basement here. There are sealed combustion, non condensating, with a variety of systems and controls that make them go way up there. Europe is very stringent when it comes to efficiency. A plumber will not service those units as regular check ups done by the gas supplier verify the combustion process and so forth. They also want to know who worked on them. So the plumber leave the tune ups to the certified techs. Another word, put it up and leave to someone else to service it.
In regard of the wind powered systems, down here way south we have winds with gusts of over 90 miles per hour at times. They put up eoliens that would cogenarate heating and hot water systems. It is very common and legal to see the extra electrical power going back to the meter system and get credit from the supplier
In regard of the cooling and heating flooring, they pump via an eolien or LP powered pumps the water from the ground where constant temperature is present. They use the btu's via heat exchanger to warm up the floor and outdoor resets turn the system back to cooling as outdoor temp increases.
I have seen some of the result and it is quite astonishing. House are made out bricks around here so moisture can easily be controled.
I do not have all the elements as my health is not longer that well. But I will send some pics when I can.

Blue

Mad Dog_2

Sounds good

how were you hurt? Hope you feel better. Mad Dog

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S Ebels

Would really like to see pictures

All of this sounds like it could be adapted for use here. We just need the people to see the need to use this type of technology.

DanHolohan

Good to hear from you, my friend.

Folks, this is one of the sharpest guys I've ever met in this business. He works with his heart. A truly good man.

S Ebels

Tell us more

I don't recognize the name.

Unknown

I do, Steve.

Blue was with us at wetstock 1 in Marlboro.

Glad to see you back up and around, Blue!

Noel

S Ebels

Well so was I !!

But I can't put a face on him or remember anythign about him. But then, there were a lot of folks I didn't get a chance to meet there.

Weezbo

Blue, we have never met however you seen many things

where do the over flows or pop offs ,back flow relifes and condensates.. pipe to in the kitchens? are they pipe outside to a seperate drain that dries to air on a sheet of limestone or how is that managed?

Mad Dog_2

Me neither...and I would remembera name like that

Fill us in on your profile, Blue. Mad Dog

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DanHolohan

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Blue

Europe

They have something pretty neat here for back flow and T&P. It is a one piece device, believe or not, mounted on the water side side on the cold water of the hot water makers or "heaters" . It has a relief that is piped to the closest drain. Not a sink. On new homes, those systems are somewhere in the garage and they make provision when they pour the slab.
It is also to be said that sadly some still do use hot water makers and electric water heaters twined together. But this is fading away. Most of those home are out in the boonies with wells so they do not require relief valves. So there is a mix of interesting and the " others". The point is the endless research they do in making their system more efficient according to the ever growing costs of fuel.
Thanks


Thanks Dan

Blue

Blue

Noel, very good day to you.
Blue

Jimmy Gillies

Blue.

I hope you are on the mend? Nice to hear from you, what part of France are you now living in?

Many of the things you are talking about are installed here in the UK also, mostly in the 'Self Build' homes, in fact I was at a show in Glasgow yesterday for self builders and most of the folk were sworming round the underfloor heating(radiant), heat recovery ventilation and heat pump stands.
It was good to see.

Most replacement gas boiler in England now MUST be condensing(Scotland, N.Ireland etc will catch up soon).

I'm not saying the UK is now some kind of energy efficient Utopia, but we are trying.

Please contact me if I can help you, after all you must be aware of the 'Auld Alliance' between Scotland and France?
Regards.
Jimmy Gillies (Scotland)