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Out with the New, In with the Newer, Ultra
Uni R_2
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The PRV tube should be closer to the floor (6") and the P/S tees aren't exactly closely spaced. It was nice that they piped in the tappings for an indirect.
Other than that I like it.
That's my "unprofessional" opinion...
Other than that I like it.
That's my "unprofessional" opinion...
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Not a typo
HI Guy's,,,, many of you replied to my posts and guided me in the right direction, about my new construction home with a "4 X oversized" boiler that "short cycled so bad" that I had to put "LED zone lights" up in the bedroom to figure out what was going on
Well after contacing 8 local Heating Co's to find someone that has installed/experiance with the Ultra's, finally got it up and running and it's quite the system
They have to come back in a week to add glycol and have a question about setup >>>>> They were running late and didn't setup with a Digi Analyzer got the old setup from the factory is usually sufficient]
So just in case, when it is tested, how are adjustments made if needed>>> mechanically internally? or just by Parameters?
Feel free to take a look at the install pics, and let me know if you see any issues. Thanks for your input<> Rick0 -
Be sure to use al glycol
That is a glycol designed for aluminum systems. I'd suggest the Rhomar, which you can buy premixed with DI water in 5 gallon containers. Or the Nobel No-burst AL.
Less expensive brands may not have the aluminum friendly addatives. They may just buffer the ph.
I'd also use an aluminum friendly cleaner first to assure the glycol goes into a clean system.
I like to see a 3/4" gaslinre to assure that negative pressure gas valve gets a good supply. Check the gas pressure at the boiler with it starting and running.
hot rod
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more questions
Uni> correct on the spacing, P/S put in at 13" on center
Anyone see issuse's with that< warranty?> efficinecy?
H=R> They use CryoTek 100AL> rated for alum and premixed>> with a PH of 8.5-9.5>> was hoping to get the Fernox Alphi 11, because of the 7+ ish PH >> but nobody stocks it
Any answer to the setup CO/02 adjustments0 -
what size ultra is it
if its an 80 or a 105 it looks good. if its a 155 or up pipe should be 1 1/4 on primary.
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Where's the LWCO?0 -
> Uni_ correct on the spacing, P/S put in at 13" on
> center
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> Anyone see issuse's with that_
> warranty?_ efficinecy?
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Let your contractor know that they are too far apart. He can then see if he can easily move the return tee from the heating circuit in closer to the other tee from behind the venting. He really should do it right.0 -
Ooops
Guess that would help, It's an 80>> 1325 sq ft 2 zone fintube BB0 -
Uni
Already let them know, but by my eyes. doesn't look like a quick fix, as the manifold goes up over the top0 -
Al
No sure if it is required? closed system with fintubeBB
I assume if it was code, [in MA]I would have got it
I did get a SpiroVent, BFP, zone control and Panel Surge protector, at my request0 -
Antifreeze
The two mentioned products may not be your best choice. Refer to Hot Rod's post.0 -
RECALL on WEIL McLAIN ULTRA'S Buyer's Beware!!!
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061031/dctu026.html?.v=78
There has been a RECALL on WEIL McLAIN ULTRA'S. Buyer Beware0 -
Test
Ehemmmmm, Geee you think the installer did a combustion test, In those incidents? That is why you do combustion testing up on commissioning. An elderly wise man on this board states "If you don't test, you don't know". Listen to the wise mans advice.0 -
This is really unfair
You make it sound like there is a product deficiency.
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I agree
If installers were testing installed equipment, they would have found the problem. Then they could have been on the phone to WM to tell them some doe head that came back from break was tagging equipment wrong. Nipping the problem in the butt.0 -
Kaske hits a home run!
A grand slam in fact!
Who does the customer trust.......the guy putting stickers on at the factory or the guy setting the stuff on fire in the basement? Who has the ULTIMATE responsibility to make sure things are in good working order????
Excellent post Kaske!
Mark H
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Blind to the danger
I would not be surprised if in the future hvac equipment will have a built in combustion analyzer with a program to tweek itself. Costs more money but who does it protect in this CYA society. Then again to much technology can be a bad thing....one more doe head in the line to screw it up.
Gordy0 -
It speaks well of the Ultra
Even without the conversion kit that boiler kept itself going on LPG. Although, I do think that it would have run different than normal. This may be the case of someone who had never installed an Ultra, or perhaps a mod-cond or even a boiler or furnace in their lives and didn't know it was running wrong - even before doing a combustion analysis.
And Gordy, the more cheap junk the tack on, the more they'll sell right after their warranties run out. Boilers will become as disposable as other appliances are now.
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This is about the incident causing the recall, not this good looking install.0 -
Uni R
I know Uni, my posts are in reference to chucks post on the recall.
Gordy0 -
These burners already exist...
... they are simply not on the US market yet. In areas where the caloric content of gas changes a lot (think LNG or the mixes of butane, propane, etc. that the local gas co is allowed to inject as "natural gas") such burners would be really useful. The Vitodens 300 can run on pretty much on any gas, no adjustments required.0 -
agreed
New about the recall before the install>> but before reading the recall, I new one important fact>>
When a major car company has a recall, it does not effect every model or unit made>>> this recall applied here// mine not effected
Being an NASE certified auto tech for 14 years, I was surprised that the output/ CO-CO2 was not measured as this is exactly how newer Auto/trucks are controlled to gain optimal efficiency and performance
BTW >> Put in a nice Plazma entertainment center a little while ago>>> but last night, grabbed a cold beer, a lounge chair, went down stairs and watched my Ultra Purrrr
Such a great system and technology
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Lucky bugger!
;-)0 -
Now if you only had...
the interface kit so you could watch that puppy mod. up/down.... in color!!!!
:-)
Floyd0 -
Xc8p2dC
I'd check with the AHJ & the manufacturer (plumbing inspector)about the use of the back-flow preventer you are currently using for this application, for it "may" not be allowed on systems containing glycol. Check and see what type of "hazard" the AHJ considers this, and which form of back-flow prevention is required.
Robert O'Connor/NJ
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Poor avalialbility
No-gots, as in nobody stock it or on perpetual B/O
For those of you that aquired/installed one>> What is the wiring type and length?
All pre-made? serial? Cat 5? or other? Thanks0 -
researching
Will try to get #'s/ model of it to find out,,, thnaks for the heads up0 -
correction
The discharge pipe from the pressure relief valve needs to be piped to between 6" and 18" of the floor, not within 6".0 -
LWCO
It's not required by code.0 -
Backflow preventer
Looks like a Watts 9DS. It is accepted for this application.0 -
serial 9-pin
I think... I'm going from memory which can be very wrong! ;-)0 -
BFP
It would depend on which code you are using and how the hazard is defined within it. Keep in mind that the 9d uses rubber seals in it, and oil eats oil, I'd also check the manufacturer's installation instructions on the boiler as well. Many don't want you to use petroleum based glycol or treatments. I would also check to see if the boiler manufacturer incorporates a freeze protection supplement within its installation package as well. I'm pretty sure Weil-McLain will not like anti-freeze in their boiler.
Robert O'Connor/NJ0 -
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Sent an eml...
to my WM rep., we'll see what he comes back with...
usually back to me in a day...
Floyd0 -
Last Ultra class
At the last Ultra class I took they made it a point to remind us that their glycol for the Ultra is the only one they will allow to be used. Any other glycol used in their Ultra boilers will void warranty, however they have no problem with you using theirs.
The 9DS is specifically made for a boiler feed line according to their website, and the UPC 2003 allows its use in that application whether the system is filled with water or propylene glycol which is the base product that Weil-McLain requires for that boiler. Propylene glycol has been determined by the Food and Drug Administration to be "generally recognized as safe for the use in food, cosmetics and medicine". That changes the classification from possibly viewed as "contamination high hazard class" to always viewed as "pollution low hazard class". Therefore the double check valve backflow preventer device would be accepted by code. You are right though that standard glycol is up to the determination of the Authority Having Jurisdiction.0 -
pre-spec'd
Anti=Freeze supplement I have that came with the Ultra, Lists FernoxAlphi 11 and CryoTek 100AL as only W-M recommended Glycol's because the both have the triple protection>>> Gly// mulitple metal// PH balancer0 -
3 approved choices
According to my "freeze protection" supplement>> 550-101-223
There only 3 "approved for the Ultra" glycol additve companies
Alphi 11 >> Mfg/Dist by Fernox MFG and Hydronics Agencies Ltd
Aluminum Safe Propylene Glycol>> made by Chemical Specialties
CryoTek 100/AL>> made by Hercules Chemical Company
I called W-M Tech support today to confim, which they did, Unless somebody can provide info to the contrary?0
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