Name the company?

Uni R_2

"Radiant First Zone Kit"

"Many of us that have experienced warm floors know how comfortable they are. It is truly like the sun is shining in on the room. The cost of heating is also more economical. You will never be scared to leave your thermostat at the desired temperature because of cost. If you have electric base board you are probably in the habit of entering a cold room, turning up the heat, waiting for the heat, and then pulling yourself out of a warm bed to run back downstairs to turn it off to avoid high utility bills. With Radiant First Zone you will be able to allow the system to maintain temperature at a lower energy cost with the most comfort.

Included in the Zone PAK package are:

* 500 feet of BRHC PEXc oxygen barrier pipe
* One 1/2" Ball valve with vent
* One 1/2" Check valve
* One Taco 007 circulator
* Two 1/2" Copper tees
* Two 1/2" PEX by sweat fittings
* Seven 1/2" MPT by sweat adapters
* One thermostat with well
* One 3/4" MPT by 1/2" sweat adapter
* One 1/2" thermostatic mixing valve
* Two Packages of tube talons
* Two bend supports

Also included are complete installation and operation instructions, a sample system layout, and piping and wiring diagrams. "

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Quite the do it yourself package! It even includes 2 1/2"
copper tees!

Okay, so without Googling or looking at the picture, who sells this do-it-yourself radiant kit?

John Starcher_4

Well it's kinda hard.....

...not to look at the picture, since you posted it right there!!!!!!!!!


The package says Burnham. Please tell me that's not who is distributing this!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Unknown

I guess someone................

was bound to start doing-it like this. Ya just know its gotta "snowball" to the other manufacturers! Once the "floodgates-open", who knows if it will ever end! This is bad news for our trade!!

Josh_10

To be honest... I could care less. I make my money by selling "Myself". Homeowners have unlimited access on the net already to our products. I am an expert and if you want an expert you will pay for me. Otherwise I don't want your business.

This is a profitable market and I don't blame Burnham. However it discourages me from buying their product. It says to me "hey our products aren't for pro's anymore, anyone can install them". And if I can't give my homeowners a better product than they can get themselves well then I lost my edge.

Will_5

Old News

I don't think it's anything to worry about, Burnham tried that about 5 years ago, it didn't take off. They dropped their radiant line a year or two ago, I think those kits were aimed at the retofit market and were only meant for an add-on to do a small area like a bathroom. If your just hearing about them now they certainly couldn't have impacted the market to much!!

C

Unknown

at the green box

At the green box store(Menard's) there's a whole shelf of radaint floor heating material... From hose to fittings, drawings, gauges, drain down tee fittings, taco pumps, basic pump panel and other panels ready to order, etc....

Uni R_2

It's current...

At least it is a part of their regular general public web site content.

http://www.burnham.com/radiant/firstzone.cfm

Or click radiant from their first page. I was quite surprised.

Al Corelli

That Sucks.

I really liked them V8s.
I guess it is time to move on to another manufacturer. After reading this, we and our family companies are going to make a switch. That's at least a hundred twenty boilers a year Burnham won't get.

Damn. I REALLY liked those V8s, but to have this shoved up our __es, is total bull poop.

I am not cencerned about the work. We have more than we can handle right now. This is a matter of principle.

Dan Foley

Why??

As noted earlier, Burnham first marketed this radiant package over five years ago to contractors to entice them to try radiant. They included all the components as well as a schematic in an attempt to take the mystery out of a simple radiant zone. What's wrong with that? Why would you stop selling their product because they marketed a radiant "package"? It does not make sense. -DF

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m dewolfe

I for one could care less who sells what parts. Anyone can buy a pocket knife and a box of band aids but does that make them a surgeon? Let the homeowners buy these "kits" and give the install a try. Trust me you will be calling us to fix your screw ups. there will always be a market for skilled,trained and competent heating professionals.

Joe_75

> I for one could care less who sells what parts.

> Anyone can buy a pocket knife and a box of band

> aids but does that make them a surgeon? Let the

> homeowners buy these "kits" and give the install

> a try. Trust me you will be calling us to fix

> your screw ups. there will always be a market for

> skilled,trained and competent heating

> professionals.



I agree. In the past few weeks I have looked at two jobs that wanted boilers for their shop/garage. Both used the same internet company and did there own install. One will prodably never work and the other one is going to have to chip concrete to hook up to the manifold in the box under the slab. These two guys are my best references against the do it yourself install.

Dave_4

Point

My point Al was that Burnham tried it for a very short time 5 yrs ago and hasn't sold them for over two yrs, I can maybe see dropping the line if it were something current and they were marketing it as direct product to the consumer, I fail to see the purpose of getting upset now.

C

Unknown

RE: Radiant First Zone

As already mentioned in several responses to your post, the Radiant First Zone package was introduced many, many years ago and was in no way whatsoever marketed or sold as a "Do It Yourself" package kit. It was directed toward the First Time Radiant Installer or contractor that was not yet familiar with Radiant Heating, the concepts or the materials required to get started. It was a basic package of just about everything needed to do a first zone setup of radiant. I'm sure that every one of you here has been there at some point in your life!

As also mentioned, Burnham has for the most part been out of the Radiant product business for a couple of years now while we been focusing our efforts on new high efficiency products like the MPO, MegaSteam, PVG and SCG as well as the CHG and Freedom Condensing boilers. Haven't seen or heard of the CHG and Freedom condensing boilers? You will very shortly! The radiant information may still appear on the web site but there is a reason for that as well. Very shortly you will see a brand new and exciting look for the Burnham website that is currently in the works in the background.


Glenn Stanton

Manager of Training

Burnham Hydronics

U.S. Boiler Co., Inc.

Unknown

Al

As I mentioned in a post below, the "Radiant First Zone Package" that Uni R is referencing was something that we introduced many, many years ago as a "Get Started" type of product for a contractor that was installing his first job of Radiant heat in just one room or a small area. None of us were born with the know how of what it took to do this the first time and the the concept of this package was good in that aspect! As I also indicated, this was only sold and marketed to the professional contractor as a "Get Started" type of package and by NO means was promoted as a D.I.Y. type of product. Sorry for the misunderstanding here and I hope this clears things up a bit!

Glenn Stanton

Manager of Training

Burnham Hydronics

U.S. Boiler Co., Inc.

Brad White_9

Wasn't it called


"Add a zone"???

I remember seeing it during my tour in Lancaster a few years ago.

Am I supposed to be ticked off by this?? Cuz I am not.

And dump the line for it???

Nope.

Mark H

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Uni R_2

Glen

Glen,
With all due respect, the content on that web page does not seem to be targeted at contractors at all.

"If you have electric base board you are probably in the habit of entering a cold room, turning up the heat, waiting for the heat, and then pulling yourself out of a warm bed to run back downstairs to turn it off to avoid high utility bills."

I'm not sure you'll find many hydronics contractors with electric baseboard but who knows - sometimes, the shoemaker's kids... The target audience really seems to be homeowners. The packaging includes really basic to contractor items like small coppper fittings and even 007 circs that should be already be stocked.

I was surprised, when I saw it. I had been skimming through looking at Burnham's condensing offerings. There's a big post about the wholesaler/contractor relation going on and the irony was too much to pass up.

Perhaps Dan can pull this if it is all just a misunderstanding?

Unknown

Uni R.

Although much of just about any manufacturers website sounds like it is directed to the homeowner does not mean that the products are marketed directly to or sold to the homeowner. Just about every boiler manufacturer I know of has boiler product information on their sites that is intended to communicate to the homeowner so that they can ask you about those products.

The Radiant portion of our site is for the best part out dated and will no longer be there when the new site makes its appearance in the very near future. If you tried to order any of these products today you would be informed that they are no longer available. Besides that, when have you ever known Burnham to sell to the D.I.Y. market? With all due respect, let's all move on to other matters and put this one to rest for good!

Glenn Stanton

Manager of Training

Burnham Hydronics

U.S. Boiler Co., Inc.

Charlie from wmass

been there seen that

I just went to a job where the home owner was going to build his own home. He really meant to do all the work himself, the carpentry, electrical, plumbing, and the heating. While I admire his drive he was not licensed in any of the trades in our fair state. the kicker was when his builder showed me the "heating" system he had. It was ordered online from a state to my north and it was 300 feet of 7/8" non oxygen barrier pex tubing and a bronze circulator pump with a mixing valve. The owner was told just to tie this tubing into his potable hot water heater and run the piping in the slab tied to the reenforcing wire tih zip ties and it would heat his home. After I was done spouting the plumbing code I figured one more job I lost due to being by the book and not believing the customer is always right. Well long story short he signed my contract and I start the job in the next week or so. Go figure an informed consumer choosing quality over cheap? Strange but true.

Pat Clark_2

I agree

with you Mark. We have sold Burnhams for 15 years now. A great company that stands behind their contractors and supports the trade. One of the reasons we switched to Burnham was their brochures were targeted to the homeowner so that they understood what the product would provide in benefits to THEM. We get a lot of calls to purchase Burnham Boilers from us, but if we aren't installing it, we don't sell it.

The Web Site is Consumer Friendly and that is as it should be.

Pat (Alaska Time) Clark

Got 4 Burnhams to put in the next 3 weeks, gettin chilly here.

Al Corelli

Glenn

My most humble apologies. I misunderstood. Thought it was a product being re-released.

And... to make you all feel better, I installed a V84 today.