staple up to advantak

michael terry

anyone done a staple up job to advantak subfloor? wondering what would be the best fastner for heat tranfer plates?

kevin coppinger_4

3/4 \" zip screws

work for me w/ a impact drill/driver...although I have seen a roofing nailer used w/ short nails.

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michael terry

thanks

hr

How many feet and how

thick of a plate? The heavy gauge extruded plates take a good stapler or roof nailer to drive thru them.

For small jobs a self tapping screw with a drill point tip works well. Some brands of extruded plates have pre-drilled holes. For these a pointed zip screw works well.

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michael terry

i will probably fab the plates myself. seems like the time I made any I used .027 alum zip screws should go right thru.
I just was wondering if any special problems came up with advantak
thanks

hr

Other than it is

a very dense and hard product to nail into Zip screws should not be a problem.

There have been some issues with thin aluminum plates making a ticking noise when they expand and contract.

Wirsbo would suggest just fastening along one side to allow the plate to move a bid with out "tin canning"

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Kniggit

Very dense?

That stuff is like tan colored fibrous concrete. It weighs a ton, eats up saws and drill bits. But if I was to build a new home its the product I would demand. I've seen it, and they are not kidding about water proof.

K

Ken_40

We used a

"Slap stapler" on our Avantek sub-floor aluminum plates. My still sore shoulder/rotator cuff can attest to that.

It worked well. The plates were W/M and maybe 14 gage?

Unknown

Wirsbo would suggest that, but if you do that, you lose 50% of your contact area, making the plate very nearly useless. They are weak enough already.

An alternative would be to use PEX-AL-PEX and staple the heck out of the plates for best contact.

Or, of course, use a real plate

Scott Gregg

How about...

I'm looking for the same thing. How about something collated to make fastening faster?

Are the Zip screws the best way to go? I'm going to try it out. My house has Advantek and I have a first floor plate system to put in. I just want to do it with soething that will save my limited sanity by not fighting 10,000 screws o n e a t a t i m e.....having to place each one on the bit each time while trying to hold up the plate and tubing.

Scott Gregg

Hot Rod...

What about just fastening them in the middle of the plate if you have a higher temp job?

At what operating temps would one expect to get some expansion noises from plates?

ChrisL

Advantech R value

I wonder if Advantech would have a noticeably lower R value than regular OSB or Ply. Much more resin and no voids. Seems it would transfer heat better assuming it can take it over time.

ChrisL

hr

My latest plate installation tool

I picked up this demo Superdrive but have yet to use it on a full house job. I tried it in the shop and it works great.

The newer version is an 18 volt. The impact driver really drills the plate and pulls them up tight. The drill point is critical for the heavy gauge aluminum plates.

The only catch is you have to buy their screws as they have a special head.

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Scott Gregg

I'm getting readyt to do one now

where can I get one of these things! That looks like just what I need.

hr

try www.grabberman.com

It's the SuperDrive 85 version.

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ALH_4

superdrive

I've put in thousands of feet of original Thermofin with the Superdrive system and the 3/4" self drilling screws. It's hard on the shoulder and the bits tend to break. The bits weren't that inexpensive either. When they worked they worked great, but when they didnt work it was less than fun. We used a lot of Rocker and Grabber screws. For some reason the Rocker screws used to be easier on bits than the Grabbers are. The pneumatic staplers and nailers were a huge help.

In this case, it sounds as if pneumatic fasteners might be out of the question.

-Andrew

hr

But when you remove plates that

have been stapled or nailed with pneumatic tools, there is some effect on the transfer contact patch. Those dimples from the fastener tend to actually lift the plate off hard products like AdvanTech and Plytanium.

I have replaced the spring on the Senco nosepiece. It does protest that type of abuse after thousands of feet of plate. Same with the roofing nailed. That's with the ThermoFin lite version.

I'll still use a combination of the various tools. If you "plate" for a living you better have a few spare tools.

Now, for that peel and stick concept

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