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Steam replacement - Kohler to Burnham

about the orientation of the burner and flue . It's just too bad they couldn't install the boiler even 1/2 foot further off the wall for service . The asbestos guys took the jacket off before I could snap a pic , but it looked like maybe 1 1/2 feet for someone to reach into there .

Nope , no low water cutoff . The dry fire happened when the homeowner was in the hospital . The daughter was there and told us from now on she'll stop by every weekend to check things over . Thanks alot Steamhead .

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  • This was for an elderly lady

    The boiler dry fired a few days ago . We had an asbestos contractor remove the insulation from the boiler and pipes yesterday . This was one filthy boiler . The return pipes were full of ooze , and that gravity hot water tank ? All it held was what looks like ice tea and diarhea .
  • Burnham V83

    We dropped the header and got rid of the huge bullhead tee on the main . After cleaning the return pipes with about 30 gallons of water and skimming the boiler , we finally gave up . The returns are just too filthy to clean in one day . We loaded the boiler up with some cleaner and will scoot back over there next week to continue ...
  • J.C.A._3
    J.C.A._3 Member Posts: 2,980
    Ain't it great....

    To work on a burner without the flue piping directly overhead?
    I can't even begin to count the times I've taken the damn thing off the receiver or cracked my coconut on those bad boys!

    I'm assuming that there is a tankless on the unseen side of the boiler???? Nice work Ron.

    Was that an American Standard or an Arco boiler?(oops, could be a Kholer too!) Chris
  • brucewo1b
    brucewo1b Member Posts: 638


    First time I ever got zapped by a T-former I had the burner between my legs my back to the wall and the smoke pipe at my head, while trying to figure out why it would not start I pulled the cad cell eye with my forfinger on one contact and my thumb on the other contact once the cal cell brok contact the burner tried to light, learned a few lessons that day.
  • J.C.A._3
    J.C.A._3 Member Posts: 2,980
    Bruce,

    If you don't get "bit" by a transformer every once in a while...you tend to forget how it feels and that makes you all the more laksidaysical. It also keeps your heart charged, and that's why oil guys have bigger hearts than most. Chris
  • lchmb
    lchmb Member Posts: 2,997
    OK

    Thanks Ron now I will never be able to look at a glass of iced tea the same way......you guy's are in a class by yourself. I bet the customer must love the appearance of that system and feel much better with the asbestos removed...Keep up the good work!!
  • clammy
    clammy Member Posts: 3,196
    nice

    Nice drop there ron .What a super improvement excellent kiss good bye to that side arm ,the bull head tee and the burner under the flue deal .Total excellent work as always .Just wondering do they ever give you guys clay thimbles to put in the chimmey instead of the flue pipe and furnace cement .I always hated pulling that set up out to check or clean a chimmey base always looked terrible years later they always seem to grow till some re does it or it falls out .Again excellent looking job her oil comsumpition will probaly cut by a 1/3 i would guess .Happy new year Ron peace and good luck clammy

    R.A. Calmbacher L.L.C. HVAC
    NJ Master HVAC Lic.
    Mahwah, NJ
    Specializing in steam and hydronic heating

  • The bold look of Kohler

    Isn't that the tagline ? Yeah , I'll never understand why they designed some equipment to be so service-unfriendly . Yep , there's a coil buried on the right side . The homeowner was frightened for a minute , seeing we took the tank down and wondering if she would still have hot water . We explained to her the new coil and why we took the tank out . Thanks alot Chris .
  • There was some bad stuff

    residing in that tank . It was just better to get rid of it than try to reconnect . I wonder how long a tank like that would take to heat up with a new coil ? Gravity I mean , not pumped . Thanks Lchmb , and when we meet for the 1st time I'll buy you a Long Island Iced Tea .
  • There was a big hole

    in the chimney , and normally we would brick it up or use a big reducer , but it was Saturday and no supply store is open . There is a tee and a length going horizontal , so if needs be they can pull the tee out to clean the base .

    That bullheaded tee was something else . Somehow it had a natural pitch down from both ends , like they made it to be used this way . Thanks alot Clammy for the kind words , and have a happy and healthy New Year also .
  • Steamhead (in transit)
    Steamhead (in transit) Member Posts: 6,688
    The reason the Dead Men gave

    for putting the burner back there, was that the uptakes from the firebox to the upper flue galleries were in the rear section. If you fired from the front as usual, the hot gases would go straight from the chamber up into the flue galleries, totally bypassing the crown sheet and reducing efficiency.

    But there were easier ways to do this- my favorite was to use a corbel at the top rear of a front-fired chamber to deflect the hot gases toward the front. You can do this today with a Lynn upright chamber, it has a corbel built in and you can cut pieces out to deflect the heat where you want it to go.

    Nice job, as usual. Did the old one have a LWCO?

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  • clammy
    clammy Member Posts: 3,196
    bull head with pitch

    Great to always see your work ron keep me going seeing your excellent work like maybe i'm not alone .On that pitched bullhead thing i can remenber some old timers showing me the way they would angle the die so they could gain pitch in both direction boy those dead guys knew there stuff maybe one day when we are one of them the young guys will look at our work and wonder about how we did it and why .Again Ron even though your bosses may not tell you or even thank you (just pay ya ) you are one hell of a installation mechinic my head always tips when i check your art work out i know i was a strict install guy for over 20 years you my friend are very good espically under the time restraints you are giving to perform your magic you got one whiz bang gang keep that bar up gives us all something to aim for .Peace and good luck your bud clammy

    R.A. Calmbacher L.L.C. HVAC
    NJ Master HVAC Lic.
    Mahwah, NJ
    Specializing in steam and hydronic heating

  • The Wire Nut
    The Wire Nut Member Posts: 422
    V83...

    Ron,

    Really beautifully done! Isn't nice to have the clearance for a nice tall header!

    Quick question. The V83 has two steam tappings and I'm wondering why you only used one...

    Also, did you do the header in Eugene S' heating lab at Suffolk CC a few years back?

    Thanks,

    Alex
    "Let me control you"

    Lost in SOHO NYC and Balmy Whites Valley PA
  • Dale
    Dale Member Posts: 1,317
    Sweet job Ron

    You guys do great work, cleanup too. A coulple of questions, Did the old Kohler have the little try cocks to set water level? Did it look like there once was a casting inserted LWCO? like a model MM model 69? Do you bring stock long 2" nipple lengths to these jobs? And how long did you look at that bullhead tee to figure out how you were going to use the 45s to get the separate feeds? You guys should leave a "before" picture on the boiler so the next guy that does service can thank you.
  • The try cocks

    I'm not sure if there was any try cocks or the big hole for the LWCO . My partner Paul was working on that end while I sawzalled out the header . This was one of those jobs where I tried not to look at this beastie , even when we split it up . Yep , we bring about 4 each of every different size 2 inch nipple from close to 24 inch . We also bring just enough to upsize the boiler main , this one was 2 1/2 inch . It's an amazing timesaver compared to cuttin' and threadin' - which we did by hand before I started with this company . Actually , I had no idea how we were going to tee in the separate steam mains till we had the boiler in place and the drop on the header . Sometimes , very rarely it works out OK , like we knew what we were doing all along :) Thank you very much Dale .
  • If the system looks like

    it would benefit with the 2 boiler tappings , we will connect the 2nd . Burnham doesn't require the use of the 2nd till you get to a 5 section I believe , so we left it on one . Yes , I helped build the V83 steamer for Gene's class , what a labor of love . It was Brutal Cold that day . Were you there also Alex ? Thanks alot for the kind words .
  • The Wire Nut
    The Wire Nut Member Posts: 422


    I just checked the manual and it's required for 6 sections and above, recommended otherwise. How do you decide? Amount of radiation?

    Yes, I was the guy hand threading 2" black pipe with one of the other guys. I also installed the LWCO on your steam boiler. Dan has mentioned more than once the quality of your header out there. I've attached a photo in case you forgot. There's more on this this old thread...

    Alex
    "Let me control you"

    Lost in SOHO NYC and Balmy Whites Valley PA
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