Carbon Monoxide Mis information from W. Va

Garett

“Yesterday I was visiting new condos in their final stages of completion.”(edit) “These are tightly insulated boxes.”

Realy?

Just checking, around here condos seem to be the least insulated site built structure. Why spend money where it doesn’t show?


Sorry, just being cynical. I DO understand your post about the non-vented jobsite heaters.
Garett

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The news has been talking

about the minig disaster in W. VA. and keep saying that levels of 400 PPM Carbon Monoxide are not harmful and are acceptable. I really have a problem with that. The truth is in a little over four (4) hours at 400 PPM you are DEAD!!!

OSHA and other workplace testing agencies list allowable levels in work environment of 35 to maybe 50 PPM for and eight (8) hour exposure. I wonder why the bureau of mines is allowed a different standard.

bernie_3

I don't think it is a different standard

The first reports I saw showed the 400 PPM as the "minimum lethal level" which I think got transposed somewhere in all the reporting to "minimum legal level" I am in WV and have a brother in the mining business.Based on our conversations I'm sure the legal levels are greatly different than 400 PPM.

Plumdog_2

News Media is screwed up.

They get the facts messed up on just about everything. The whole circus is for ratings competition and has little to do with factual reporting.

Mark Hunt

You are 100% correct

I have a few CO stories that I will post this evening, but one stood out.

First story I got via Google news alerts said a father and his 2 year old daughter were overcome by CO. Later I get another hit from Yahoo news alerts but this time the news agency says "Father and Son". And then! I get another google hit and the news agency says father and daughter.

I believe it was a little girl that is currently in a hyperbarach chamber.

OH!!! One other thing. All of the news stories agreed on one thing. No-one knows what made the CO. One story suggested (I am NOT making this up) "Wood stove, furnace or car"!!!

Can you hear me slapping my head?!?!?!

Mark H

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Bob Harper

2 more died in Philly

On the news tonight. They think the mother and son died of CO because no wounds. You see, in Philly, you think gunshot wounds first, then consider all other possibilities. No details on what is suspected but these Philly row homes are notorious for rotten chimneys connected to rotten heaters in the basement where they have a single car garage attached where they leave their cars running. I don't understand why we don't lose a dozen a day.

Side note; was getting gas and heard the gasoline diamond saw across the street cutting concrete where they were adding on bays to a car repair shop. Sure enough, our hero was at the rear wearing no PPE ( or SCBA in this case) running that saw for about 10 minutes. When he finally shut it off he was too deaf to hear me heckling him about bucking for a ride in the Univ. of Penn's Hyperbaric Oxygen Chamber. Where's OSHA when you need them? His supervisor was standing out in the fresh air holding up a shovel all the while...
Bob

Weezbo

That is my thought too.

they are so 'run it into the ground', there ought to be a law that they dont report rumors.because then ,people would be able to consider what is what.as it is ,the lot of them are like instigators in a crowd, shouting out whatever just to get a reaction.it is **** on someone who happens to have them as their only line of communiction and information.

Gary Reecher

Believe that miner's have an apparatus that filters out the co. Does anyone know about this. Maybe that's the levels they were talking about. Still they should specify more accurately.

Mad Dog_2

Yep...it is always a race to beat each other to the story

and lately there has been alot of erroneous stories. Mad Dog

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Plumdog_2

Last time for demo saw

Couple years ago I very diligently sealed off a basement area in large expensive house with plastic and duct tape. Then I rented a blower with flexible exhaust pipe and ran it outdoors. Then I set my ambient CO detector on the rung of my stepladder and fired up the demo saw. In about 2 minutes I looked up at the little device and saw the red light flashing; reading 900 PPM and climbing. Very dumb. Do not ever use gas engines indoors even for a minute.

Dave Yates (PAH)

job site heaters too

Yesterday I was visiting new condos in their final stages of completion. Furnaces not yet fired up, so they had one of those large propane atmospheric "cans" sitting on the lower floor. As we walked up the stairs, the moisture and fumes were quite noticable. These are tightly insulated boxes. Wishing I'd had my CO detector along.

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Dave Yates (PAH)

yup

Tyvec wrap, R-19 side/end walls & blown in in the attic to R-30+++. Looks like you could heat one with about a dozen candles.

I read today that they're punching in some ventillation shafts in that mine. Seems a tad late to me. Time for new mining regs? Seems like a necessary government intervention might be in order if the owners can't find it within their means to install adequate safety ventillation to provide sufficient air for the men who toil beneath the surface.

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tom_49

Mark,

If thats the story I think your talking about, it took place about 1 mile from my house.

I heard from a reliable source that the father left the car running in garage ( with the door closed, duh!! ) then went back in and fell asleep. The car ran out of gas.

I think it is still " under investigation" though.

Bob W._3

Was dad under the influence?

Dave Yates (PAH)

one thing that bugs me

The so-called safety curtain they "constructed" to keep out CO. Is it just me or does that sound a bit far-fetched. Only one-hour's air in their "safety" packs. When's the last time a rescue was done in under an hour?

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Dirk Wright

Some things to know about the news media:
(1)They are not required by law to tell the truth.
(2)They only care about making money, not about you.
(3)The news is what they say it is.

S Ebels

Dirk

You forgot one: #4, they always have their own agenda. It's never all the facts or just the facts.

S Ebels

News reported today

They found a note which indicated the miners, or at least the one who wrote the note was alive up to 11 hours after the incident. Also read that they held off going into the mine for rescue attempts due to excess CO present in the mine. WELL DUH! what do they think they were trying to resuce the miners from? The dark? I would think that a mine rescue squad would be prepared and equipped to enter a hazardous environment like that. What else would they expect? Clean air and blue sky down there?

Dirk Wright

yeah, that's right, thanks.

Keith_11

Our useless government doesn't care about you and me, yeah it's a tragedy for the moment but at the end of the day it's just a few people dead. All the money required for ventilation shafts and rescue crews who are constantly on the ready, or even radios that actually work for the men is just not worth the effort. OSHA's a freaking joke - when was the last time you ever saw them on a jobsite? No, it's every man for himself out there, unfortunately. The mining CEO's cry their eyes out for the cameras but they still get to go home to kiss their wives tonight.

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