Forced warm air

Techman

GoodMorning All!A properly sized and installed forced air heating system produces nice WARM air,NOT scorched air.To those of us that do WARM air systems,it hurts my mechanical heart to hear about all of those BADLY sized/installed system as if they are normal and common .Just like any hydronic system that was sized by the bigger is better approach, WARM air turns into SCORCHED air. The air side guys have had their problems with oversizing just like the wetheads have .So,please give us WARM AIR airheads some compassion.Enjoy your day!

Tim_33

I've always liked the term...

"scorched air". It is an excellent way to differentiate a heating professional from a plumber. Those that use the term usually fall in the latter group.

Unknown

Techman................

Believe it or not, I do feel for ya. Installing forced-air is a tough job, as you have to "move the air currents" mechanically, not easily done, from a comfortability standpoint! Also, not the easiest to control in particular areas, but possible. With hydronics, we have "natural currents" on our side, and much simpler to contol. Without "banging your head" or "butchering-up" the home.
Biggest "hassel" I have, is everyone thinks you need ductwork to have central-air, but we`re slowly educating them around this. Take Care!

don_156

Its ok techman.

> Believe it or not, I do feel for ya. Installing

> forced-air is a tough job, as you have to "move

> the air currents" mechanically, not easily done,

> from a comfortability standpoint! Also, not the

> easiest to control in particular areas, but

> possible. With hydronics, we have "natural

> currents" on our side, and much simpler to

> contol. Without "banging your head" or

> "butchering-up" the home. Biggest "hassel" I

> have, is everyone thinks you need ductwork to

> have central-air, but we`re slowly educating them

> around this. Take Care!

don_156

Its ok Techman.

That term is just as outdated as those who use it.

If they could only see for themself the improvement me may
over the years with variable speed motor and staging equipment that the saying schored air is a outdated term.

Remember without us they would be breathing each other farts and staying sick all the time.

Unknown

Hey don...............

I guess re-circulated "farts" are better for ya, EH?

don_156

Hey Dave

Still behind on the times are you? Thats ok, we can help.

Unknown

don..................

I`ll give you that-one. We are all "heating men"! Is one system better than another?, well,,,,,that`s a matter of opinion. I have mine, and you have yours, that`s what makes this site "fun"! And technology has changed alot, I should try to keep-up more, but that`s my own fault!

Timco

Easy for us to squabble about....let's ask the customers. My customers would only buy houses with radiant after having it done right. All have had previous warm air experience. No doubt WA systems have thier place, but if you have the $$$, radiant is the most comfortable, IMHO.

Tim

Unknown

Tim..............

Thanks for your input! But I think don thought I was "bashing forced air", and that wasn`t my intent. It`s a BIG world out there!, and choices, good or bad, are our life!

Timco

I don't think anyone is bashing. Radiant most closely matches your body's heating curve, but price wise, FA systems are cheaper to install. My own price to install 162,000 BTU boiler, all near-boiler and system piping, circs & exp tank was about $6000, and I re-used all the rads. I would have charged about $10K for the entire system if someone else, but that was in my 4-plex. Had a quote of $8000 for a 125,000BTU WA system, all ducts, and A/C for a customer of mine. I do not install new WA systems, only service them.

don_156

Thats it in a nutshell.

Timco how right you are..let the customer decide.

I'm not loyal to forceair only.I have many hydronic system out there.We also have several steam system still going strong.

The point is you can go to any site that deals with forceair and not once will you here anyone talk down about a hydronics system.However when somone stop by here they see what appears to be hostility towards other tradesman.

It make you wonder who really understand the heat transfer
business.

Those with the closed minds are the ones that are missing out.And may I add so are their customers.

jp_2

who doesn't like?

who doesn't like a warm breeze on a cool night?

Unknown

OK don................

I was NOT trying to do that!I was only trying to make friendly conversation. Keeping it cool, ya know?

KAG

With out who?

Don as you know the problem is not how far you have come, but how far back they still are. This refers to both warm air and hydronics. Far to many times is heating AND cooling just thrown in. As a contractor it is a constant up hill battle to preach proper installation and design for both types of heat/cooling. I was tought to always seperate cooling and heating because of the different laws of physics. Also to bring fresh air into the system, but now this is considered new technology. So I agree with you about being open minded, but warm air systems installed for the lowest price, which many are keep in mind so are hydronic systems, cause more sickness than hydronics ever have. Sick Building Syndrom is traced directly to improper warm air system installs, no fresh air intake duct or duct cleaning. And don't get me started on what passes as a filtering system. So you keep preaching proper design and install even if it means you lose the job and our industry will prosper.

don_156

I know Dave

And I was not trying to single you out.I was just throwing it out there.

I mean what would be better at landing a job if you can address all issue or needs the customer might have.

Hey, I like the recirc joke myself.Personally I dont wait for it to come back around.LOL.

Take care!

Unknown

don, always,,,,,,,

a blast, I look forward to us "haunting" each-other again! You are always a welcomed adversary! Have A good evening!!!!!!!
Dave