Gas Training in Upstate NY

Darin Cook_6

There is a tremendous amount of natural gas equipment in the Capitol District region ( Albany, Schenectady, Troy, Saratoga )of Upstate New York. Everything from millivolt gas burners right up to the cutting edge modulating burners. Whether or not you could get enough participation to run a profitable class is questionable but there is definitely ALOT of people who need the training. Supply Houses in our area include - N&S Supply, Security Supply, F.W. Webb, R.E Michel, Aird Dorrance, and Capitol District Supply. There alot of techs working out there who have some "interesting" ideas about natural gas. I am sure your expertise could be put to good use.








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Unknown

Is there anyone offering

gas training in upstate New York? Do they need any training in upstate NY? I have had several inquiries is there anyone else doing this or should I maybe start thinking of coming up that way.

Steve_35

Rood Utilities

ATI, a part of Rood Utilities in Auburn, does gas training as well as oil, AC and system design.

How widely known that is I don't have a clue.

Todd_12

Gas Training

Central Hudson Gas & Electric runs a class each fall. This is in Kingston right now.

Pinball

how come they don't advertise? I would take it. I'm in Glasco

Al

Steve_35

Beats me

But you can call them at 315-252-7204. I think they're done with training for this year. They'll send you info when next year's classes are available.

Mark Hunt

And


most of the wholesalers that I have talked to about CO and combustion training only want to know "what's in it for me?".

You can try Tim, but I haven't been able to get any of the big companies around here to bring Jim D in. They just aren't interested and they don't believe anyone else would be interested either.

I know of one supply house owner that had a CO incident in his own home and even he isn't interested.

Perhaps I will start forwarding all of the CO stories I get to the supply house owners and managers.

If nothing else, it will bug the crap out of them when I fill their in-boxes.

Mark H

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Jim Davis_7

We schedule classes where we find enough people that care

It is unfortunate how little response or requests we get from that area. People say they don't have time or its not that important or we already know all we want to know. My favorite is " We have been sucessful doing in wrong so far, why change?"

Supply House Rick

Responsibility-

-Falls on the contractor not the supplier's. There was an informal survey last year on the Wall. If we sponsored a CO class you and me would probably be the only ones there.

If you remember I asked most of the "major accounts" less than 5% said they test every install. The usual answer was "Rick I have been doing this sooooo long I can tell by eye and sound, I don't need to"

Mark, every time you post a story on CO death, I hope you are reaching out to the ones who do not test. What you are doing is noble.

We cannot make people listen to something THEY do not feel is important. It would be an empty room.

Not "what's in it for me"

The responsibility is that the homeowners have to demand CO testing on installs and service. The accountability not to mention liability in on the contractor

I strongly feel that all installs should be inspected and all contractors should be licensed, that where this should start not on the supply level...

* I speak on my own behalf, not as the voice of my company*

Rick

Jim Davis_7

Gas & oil companies get real excited to have our classes when they find out we teach people how to reduce their fuel usage. Yeah, Right!!

Todd_12

Training upstate

Call Central Hudson and ask to get on their mailing list for the upcoming classes. They also have a "Trade Ally" program that will have promo's for contractors.

The other group to look into is the Hudson Valley Oilheat Council. They are actually holding the fall general membership meeting tonight in Newburgh and Tom Butcher from Brookhaven is going to be speaking about modern oilheat. HVOHC also runs training each summer. We've had everyone from Dan, to Alan Mercurio, George Lanthier, Bob Heddon, and manufacturers give classes.

rick_53

i have not seen any niagara mohawk offered something a while back but since they changed to national grid have not seen any ,do you offer a one day class .

Will_5

Keyspan

Now that Keyspan is in the National Grid mix I imagine that will change.

Unknown

Well it looks like

there is plenty of good training going on. I will pass on all those excellent training venues to those who call me from that area. I do not like to go into areas that already have plenty of gas training going on. I am happy to see that the gas utilities offer training similar to what I offer. Thanks for all the response.

Mark Hunt

You sponsor nothing


it costs you nothing.

A 3 hour trip one way is the shortest distance I have had to travel to get to one of Jim Davis's classes.

I'll give you the damn flyers and even throw in the tape to put them up.

At least try for cryin' out loud.

Mark H

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Supply House Rick

Mark

I know you test every job. Many others "talk the talk"

I ask you a question- at ISH where hundreds of thousands attend- how many people showed up to your lecture on the dangers of CO? That's as many people that would show up deep in the heart of the Catskills.

I inquired last year for you and you know the responses. You would be able to hear crickets in the room. All the flyers and tape in the world will not change this...

Rick

Mark Hunt

Then


DOUBLE YOUR EFFORTS!!

THAT IS AN ORDER!

Mark H

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Frank M Alleva

Gas Training

Tim..Tom Walsh Jr. at Rood's (ATI) in Auburn is a first class guy and his training facility is set up for hand-on training. The facility kind of sits in hibernation during the winter months and perhaps Tom would be open to some sort of arrangement where you could provide a different "layer" of training than he does, utilizing his facility. Good luck.

Mitch_6

I have talked

to two of my major suppliers the one that starts with first initial F. the store manager has taken Tim's course.

The other Name starts with J I have talked to several sales people. I have told them several of the boiler sales they got were specifically due to high co readings that could not be economically fixed.

I am massachusetts just south of Boston. Both suppliers said they were interested in training but have done nothing.

Several other companies are getting into co testing but most are not trained.

I myself test all new boiler installs.

I had high co on a EG recently, it was on one side, I changed the orifices then burner logs to the other. Got the same reading on the same side high co High o2.

Boiler has no burner pan under it, I remember that one tidbit if info from Tim's class that a boiler up on blocks with a gab can have a problem. I rearranged the blocks to a solid pattern and problem went away.

Training help alot even for the exprianced installer.

Suppliers would get more sales if people properly test, I think they are afraid of how much we will find.


Mitch S.

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Supply House Rick

Mitch, How did this become the suppliers fault?

Mitch, If you install equipment and there's a problem is it the suppliers fault? I mentioned this before. Responsibility and Accountability is completely on the Contractor. Suppliers-Supply. Also, holding a CO class would increase boiler sales? How so? Please explain that business plan. Because I would love to move more boxes.

All equipment gas & oil should be tested, Mark & Darin are the only contractors, I'll repeat that, the only contractors I personally deal with that test every time no matter what. The other 100 or so don't, not every time...

This training should be held in a Hotel Conference Room. Look where Dan does all his trainings, I haven't seen one listed at a Supplier have you? Mr Davis where do you usually train contractors? I can have the UEI or Bacharach people do training at our customer's shop or our facility, counting today, that's zero requests for the year.

We have a training facility and we have had too many classes to count. Buderus, Triangle Tube, Peerless, Grundfos, Taco, Lenox and others for example. Unfortunately less contractors care about CO Testing than you think. Sad but true.

Mitch, this is what you said "Suppliers would get more sales if people properly test, I think they are afraid of how much we will find"

Please explain the Sales and Afraid part for me so I can understand... Thanks

Rick

Mitch_6

Not the fault of the supplier

But most of my suppliers do in house training on products they sell. Usually an outside product rep will come by.


The supply house F. has an in house training facility for this.

The supply house J holds classes after hours

Both rent outside space for classes.

The supply house has more resources than most individual contractors and especially the oil supply houses are typically tied into the trade schools that are so well equipped for this training.

Air Purchases in Burlington Sponsors Jim and funny thing is most of us that took his class do not buy from that supplier in fact we drove quite a distance for the class.

Mitch S.

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Unknown

I offer more than

just CO Training as I find that just teaching testing for CO without understanding what to do if you find CO is a real problem.Just shutting the equipment off and telling the customer they need a new furnace or boiler is unfair to the customer.

I find that by offering a well rounded training program specifically directed toward gas is the way to go. I encourage even the most talented to attend all my seminars before attending our brand new Combustion Testing of Designed Gas Equipment 3 day seminar. It starts with Fundamentals of Gas on day one, day two is Circuitry and Troubleshooting, followed on day three with Hydronic Controls, then fourth Electric Ignition Systems and finally day five Advanced Electric Ignition Systems. We even still teach a full day class on Powerpile Systems. Once you have gone through those classes you are ready for the three day combustion classes.

Unknown

Rick would you be interested

in sponsoring me to come do some classes?

I would love to get a conference center like Dan except for one thing I am not Dan and will not be able to draw the crowd he draws so a conference center is way out of my budget.

My kind of training is to the supply house advantage as I teach all about universal replacement controls and how to use them. I also teach them how to use cross references. In the end you will sell more controls, have less controls returned damaged, and a well trained service tech spends less time in your facility asking a thousand questions. I will make you a deal if after I train your customers if any of them are not satisfied I will return their money. I will guarantee they will have less call backs, and shorter time on the job.

You see if you offer more than just Combustion Training you can get them into the class room, then while you have them there you spoon feed them about combustion issues. It has been working for me for sometime now.

I usually do my training at my training center (Gas Training Institute) in Warren, RI but do not mind traveling once in awhile.

Mitch_6

Sorry was in a rush today

and did not get one point I wanted.

Boiler sales will increase with proper training.

Some of the old boilers Hydro Therm with cast iron logs and older converted oil boilers typically get the high co counts.

Due to there age and shape it is usually the tipping stone to an H.O.'s old boiler they have been babying along.

After getting my consent/refusal form signed I often have the H.O. stand next to me during the test.

As the Co goes up the H.O's stomach drops.

Especially the wife with kids, out with the old in with the new.

Not saying change all boilers but 80% of the high co counts I have gotten the boilers were to old or in such poor shape even trying to repair them would be money down the drain.

Since I am a small shop I do not always have time to repair or replace and often have to pass that part along and I get "NO" referral fee for it. The H.O. is told this up front before I start.

Mitch S.

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