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Carlin Burner on Burnham furnace question?

S. Kimball
S. Kimball Member Posts: 23
I have a 22 year old hot water on demand Burnham furnace with a Carlin Burner that has eaten up far to many dollars in numerous repair jobs. My heating repairman said he can get a new, but older model Becket burner that would easily retrofit to this Burham for about $900 for all parts and labor. He did say that he doesn't know how this Becket burner being an older model would fit on a newer furnace/boiler if those parts of my system decide to act up at a later date. Since like many families we are stretching the dollar, but I am tired of shooting good money after bad so I would be happy to hear suggestions. Also does switching over to a propane system make sense if the feed back is to go for a whole new setup? I know it is less BTU's, but requires much less maintenance and might be a cleaner burn. If staying with an oil system continues to make sense any suggestions for what system to heat a 1800 sq. ft. house in the Northeast?

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  • Ray Landry
    Ray Landry Member Posts: 203


    Scott how long do you plan on living in the home? If you're going to be there for at least the next five years I would really consider a new system. Todays boilers are much more efficient, go with an outdoor reset control to maxamize efficiency and watch the system pay for it self. Sure if you put a brand new burner on the boiler it will make the fire end of things more reliable, but what about the water side? How much attention has that got over the years? Where in the NE are you located?
  • John@Reliable_10
    John@Reliable_10 Member Posts: 99
    Couple of things first................

    What is the model # of boiler and burner? What kind of repairs have been done? Has your "burnerman" setup&tested burner to factory spec's?
  • dwk
    dwk Member Posts: 17
    replacement

    I would definetly stay with oil. I would either use system 2000 by energy kinetics or buderus both very efficient,probably will save you about 40%. You figure the payback with today's oil prices.
  • Steamhead (in transit)
    Steamhead (in transit) Member Posts: 6,688
    I wouldn't use propane

    the cost per BTU is much higher than for oil, especially in most parts of the Northeast. And a modern oil burner will run as clean as a gas burner if properly set up.

    Is your Burnham one of the V-1 series? These tend to do well with pretty much any flame-retention burner. Did the Carlin come with the boiler or was it retrofitted?

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  • Al Gregory
    Al Gregory Member Posts: 260


    Sounds to me like you need a new repairman :( You probably have a V13 or V14 boiler with a Carlin FRD 99 burner. If its set up corectly it will burn better than any older Beckett out there. You can get an adapter plate to make the round flange of a new burner fit on the rectangle plate of the boiler. You should be able to get the burner that is there working fine for alot less than 900 bucks, good luck
  • Leo
    Leo Member Posts: 770
    A New older burner

    A new older burner? How about a new tech, then a new burner to meet the specifications of the boiler. A 22 year old Burnham also came with Beckett burners, a tech can just check his Beckett book for the RIGHT model. By the way what's wrong with the Carlin?

    Leo
  • Dick Charland
    Dick Charland Member Posts: 178


    My guess is that you have a V-13 or v-14 boiler with a Carlin 99 as someone mentioned. Unfortunately, the burner at that time could be very tempermental. There were numerous cases of lockouts and numerous recommended solutions. Unfortunately as well, identical equipment would function fine with no problems while others would provide nothing but headaches. I know I was involved in with the whole problem at the time.

    The boiler itself is still a good relatively efficient piece of equipment, now being sold under the New Yorker name with a modified front section (swing out door). The difficulty retrofitting a burner is the peculiar bolt pattern they had which does not allow a standard flange to be attached easily. I do know that Beckett made an OEM air tube flange which fit this unit, probably still available. If the contractor is planning on using an AF Beckett, he is correct that it will not work with much of anything of the new equipment today. All things considered, a replacement burner should provide a reliable source of heat, unfortunately, no one can tell you how long the vessel will last.
  • Steamhead (in transit)
    Steamhead (in transit) Member Posts: 6,688
    On the V-1 series

    Burnham never used the Beckett AF burner- they used the AFG which can produce more static pressure. If you switch to a Beckett it must be the AFG, or the boiler might plug up with soot. Your contractor should still be able to get the specific air tube/flange assembly from Beckett or Burnham.

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  • S. Kimball
    S. Kimball Member Posts: 23
    It is a (problrmatic) Carlin 99

    I checked the burner and it is a Carlin 99 which has consistently over the last sveral years has had both electodes issues and issues as well with the black box that ups the jolt for the sparking. It is now sparking and burning, but the whole unit rumbles alot, particularly at the end of the burn. The tech feels that is a draft issue, but we aren't going to be putting any more money into this burner so now I am most likely looking at a Beckett that will adapt to this box and the present square flange unit, see if the newer Carlin EZ1 burner will adapt to this fire box or replace the whole show (ouch. All suugestions are welcomed and many thnaks for the information that has already been given. Also does anybody have a rough estimate of what I might expect for parts and labor on any of these three routes or other paths I might take?
  • S. Kimball
    S. Kimball Member Posts: 23
    It is a (problrmatic) Carlin 99

    I checked the burner and it is a Carlin 99 which has consistently over the last several years has had both electodes issues and issues with the black box that juices the jolt for the sparking. It is now sparking and burning, but the whole unit rumbles alot, particularly at the end of the burn. The tech feels that is a draft issue, but we aren't going to be putting any more money into this burner so now I am most likely looking at a Beckett that will adapt to this box and the present square flange unit or see if the newer Carlin EZ1 burner will adapt to this fire box or replace the whole furnace system (ouch). All suggestions are welcomed and many thanks for the information that has already been given. Also does anybody have a rough estimate of what I might expect for parts and labor on any of these three possibilities or other paths I might take?
  • S. Kimball
    S. Kimball Member Posts: 23
    It is a (problrmatic) Carlin 99

    I checked the burner and it is a Carlin 99 which consistently over the last several years has had both electodes issues and issues with the black box that juices the jolt for the sparking. It is now sparking and burning, but the whole unit rumbles alot, particularly at the end of the burn. The tech feels that is a draft issue, but we aren't going to be putting any more money into this burner so now I am most likely looking at a Beckett that will adapt to this box and the present square flange unit or see if the newer Carlin EZ1 burner will adapt to this fire box or replace the whole furnace system (ouch). All suggestions are welcomed and many thanks for the information that has already been given. Also does anybody have a rough estimate of what I might expect for parts and labor on any of these three possibilities or other paths I might take?
  • S. Kimball
    S. Kimball Member Posts: 23
    It is a (problrmatic) Carlin 99

    I checked the burner and it is a Carlin 99 which consistently over the last several years has had both electodes issues and issues with the black box that juices the jolt for the sparking. It is now sparking and burning, but the whole unit rumbles alot, particularly at the end of the burn. The tech feels that this new issue is a draft issue, but we aren't going to be putting any more money into this burner so now I am most likely looking at a Beckett that will adapt to this box and the present square flange unit that is on the box or see if the newer Carlin EZ1 burner will adapt to this fire box or replace the whole furnace system (ouch). All suggestions are welcomed and many thanks for the information that has already been given. Also does anybody have a rough estimate of what I might expect for parts and labor on any of these three possibilities or other ant other suggestions that might be given?
  • S. Kimball
    S. Kimball Member Posts: 23
    It is a (problrmatic) Carlin 99

    I checked the burner and it is a Carlin 99 which consistently over the last several years has had both electodes issues and issues with the black box that juices the jolt for the sparking. It is now sparking and burning, but the whole unit rumbles alot, particularly at the end of the burn. The tech feels that this new issue is a draft issue, but we aren't going to be putting any more money into this burner so now I am most likely looking at a Beckett that will adapt to this box and the present square flange unit that is on the box or see if the newer Carlin EZ1 burner will adapt to this fire box or replace the whole furnace system (ouch). All suggestions are welcomed and many thanks for the information that has already been given. For the record the Burnham box has no model name on the plate, but it does show that it is a C.R.N. V-1-96T if that information is of any help. Last does anybody have a rough estimate of what I might expect for parts and labor on any of these three possibilities or other ant other suggestions that might be given?
  • S. Kimball
    S. Kimball Member Posts: 23
    It is a (problrmatic) Carlin 99

    I checked the burner and it is a Carlin 99 which consistently over the last several years has had both electodes issues and issues with the black box that juices the jolt for the sparking. It is now sparking and burning, but presently the whole unit rumbles alot, particularly at the end of the burn. The tech feels that this new issue is a draft related issue, but we aren't going to be putting any more money into this burner so now I am most likely looking at a Beckett that will adapt to this box and the present square flange unit that is on the box or see if the newer Carlin EZ1 burner will adapt to this fire box or replace the whole furnace system (ouch). All suggestions are welcomed and many thanks for the information that has already been given. For the record the Burnham box has no model name on the plate, but it does show that it is a C.R.N. V-1-96T if that information is of any help. Last does anybody have a rough estimate of what I might expect for parts and labor on any of these three possibilities or other ant other suggestions that might be given?
  • S. Kimball
    S. Kimball Member Posts: 23
    It is a (problrmatic) Carlin 99

    I checked the burner and it is a Carlin 99 which consistently over the last several years has had both electodes issues and issues with the black box that juices the jolt for the sparking. It is now sparking and burning, but presently the whole unit rumbles alot, particularly at the end of the burn cycle. The tech feels that this new issue is a draft related issue, but we aren't going to be putting any more money into this burner so now I am most likely looking at a Beckett that will adapt to this box and the present square flange unit that is on the box or see if the newer Carlin EZ1 burner will adapt to this fire box or replace the whole furnace system. If it comes down to the last one (ouch) what brands, models etc. that are good desins, simple, reliable and no bells and whistles should I be looking for. All suggestions are welcomed and many thanks for the information that has already been given. For the record the Burnham box has no model name on the plate, but it does show that it is a C.R.N. V-1-96T if that information is of any help. Last does anybody have a rough estimate of what I might expect for parts and labor on any of these three possibilities or other ant other suggestions that might be given?
  • S. Kimball
    S. Kimball Member Posts: 23
    It is a (problrmatic) Carlin 99

    I checked the burner and it is a Carlin 99 which consistently over the last several years has had both electodes issues and issues with the black box that juices the jolt for the sparking. It is now sparking and burning, but presently the whole unit rumbles alot, particularly at the end of the burn cycle. The tech feels that this new issue is a draft related issue, but we aren't going to be putting any more money into this burner so now I am most likely looking at a Beckett that will adapt to this box and the present square flange unit that is on the box or see if the newer Carlin EZ1 burner will adapt to this fire box or replace the whole furnace system. If it comes down to a complete new system (ouch) what brands, models etc. that are good designs, simple, reliable and with no bells and whistles should I be looking for. For the record the Burnham box has no model name on the plate, but it does show that it is a C.R.N. V-1-96T if that information is of any help. All suggestions are welcomed and many thanks for the information that has already been given. Last does anybody have a rough estimate of what I might expect for parts and labor on any of these three possibilities or other ant other suggestions that might be given?
  • S. Kimball
    S. Kimball Member Posts: 23
    It is a (problematic) Carlin 99

    I checked the burner and it is a Carlin 99 which consistently over the last several years has had both electodes issues and issues with the black box that juices the jolt for the sparking. It is now sparking and burning, but presently the whole unit rumbles alot, particularly at the end of the burn cycle. The tech feels that this new issue is a draft related issue, but we aren't going to be putting any more money into this burner so now I am most likely looking at a Beckett that will adapt to this box and the present square flange unit that is on the box or see if the newer Carlin EZ1 burner will adapt to this fire box or replace the whole furnace system. If it comes down to a complete new system (ouch) what brands, models etc. that are good designs, simple, reliable and with no bells and whistles should I be looking for. For the record the Burnham box has no model name on the plate, but it does show that it is a C.R.N. V-1-96T if that information is of any help. All suggestions are welcomed and many thanks for the information that has already been given. Last does anybody have a rough estimate of what I might expect for parts and labor on any of these three possibilities or other ant other suggestions that might be given?
  • S. Kimball
    S. Kimball Member Posts: 23
    Location

    I am in southern New Hampshire near Manchester
  • Ken D._2
    Ken D._2 Member Posts: 14
    Carlin

    We have installed many, many Carlins. Have a fair amount of Burhams. I can only recall one Burnham/Carlin we had problems with a few years ago. Lock out problems. It was not a common failure with us. I like both the Carlins and Becketts. Carlin has the edge on technical support.
  • S. Kimball
    S. Kimball Member Posts: 23
    Boiler & burner numbers

    The burner is a Carlin 99 CRD
    The boiler is a Burnham C.R.N. V-1-96T
  • Al Gregory
    Al Gregory Member Posts: 260


    What nozzle are you using? Should try a 60 degree W delevan. Also check pump presure and make sure slide adjustment on the side of the burner is far enough forward. It should run great
  • massrookie
    massrookie Member Posts: 22
    new burner????

    One thing is for sure, a new burner isn't going to solve a draft problem.The older Carlins did not like excess draft, if you have tall chimney or live on a hill you may need more than one draft regulator. And the ignitors/ electrodes will live much longer with the interrupted ignition of a Carlin 40200/60220 or Honeywell 7184 primary control. Make sure the nozzle assembly depth is set to match the firing rate. Delavan 60 degree ARD nozzles seem to work well....most important is using instruments to set up the burner!!!!! And check the cad cell reading too, sometimes the eye gest moved out of position and doesn't see the fire properly.....I wouldn't waste my money replacing the burner, save the money for a new system!


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