Asbestos

jim lockard

The local, state, and federal goverment when asbestos was being loaded in to every Building in America from flooring to roofing and everything in between. Now that same goverment expects you and I to pay huge bills to remove this stuff. My rant J.Lockard

Scram Bulleggs

Asbestos

Was asked to give a bid on a steam replacement. The customer knows that the near piping (header etc) has asbestos. The Gov't will be paying for the job. This is a residential home.

I have never dealt with asbestos except in years past when we just ripped it out and threw it away. What I am wondering is should I leave it for someone else? I don't even know if by law I am allowed to remove it.

Just looking for any oppinions about it before I go get myself in a bad situation.

Job is Located in NY State.

Brad White_9

Abatement

Is typically excluded from our design contracts (HVAC engineering). We specify that the site be clear of hazardous materials. It is a specialty area and the regulations differ. Some states and localities allow homeowners to dispose of non-friable material in limited quantities.

Your local environmental department (DEP, DEQE or by whatever name they are known) can guide you.

Best bet is to get the other parties to do the work NOT as a sub-contract to you. No one needs that headache.

My $0.02

Brad

Scram Bulleggs

That was enough of an answer for me. Afraid to get in trouble with it. If it was a regular home owner paying I don't think I would be to conscerned.

Brad White_9

And now you

ScramBulleggs, you can now rest over-easy or with your sunny side up.
Got to go, I'm-a-late. Sorry, bad yolk.

Mad Dog_2

I lost several jobs as an apprentice in the late 80s

because I refused to remove asbestos. Fortunately, most people have wised up. In some cases, the Law will allow INCAPSULATION by the HO if the covering is not friable (breaking apart). In any case, we have an abatement company that we recommend to the customer. They deal DIRECTLY with them, we want no part of it. If you need a very legit and reasonable companny that works L.I and Queens, pop me an email. DON"T do this yourself! Mad Dog

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jackchips_2

Mad Dog

just added a little meat to Brad's answer.

Do not touch it, do not get involved.

There are chefs that do that work and it's best to let them do it from soup to nuts.

Egads, it rubs off.

Jack

frank_25

me2,me2

That white stuff has been labeled as a HazMat. [I just looked in my crystal ball] You touch it, they get sick, call the sharks, you go off the deep end-or-you touch it, they tell someone, THEN they call the sharks [see above] Let them pay a licensed asbestos handler. Haven't you seen the commercials on TV? The bottom feeders would love to prove you touched/contracted it.

Timco

Not sure if this is fed or state law, but our abatement company explained he who calls and contracts the removal owns it forever. Should the landfill lose it's haz mat license, they will locate the contracting party and ask them to have it removed. Just one other reason to leave it alone. Let the HO or BO contract it directly...

Tim

Unknown

good point,Jim

I have a small private school nearby and whenever I need to work on the heating system, I get a lecture and folder stating about the abestos covering pipes, they are paying dearly and afraid of the state come down on them... I keep repeating tellin them its FIBERGLAS insulations.... Nope, according to this scamming inspection company.. Told them to get another opinions on the pipe insulations.... There's isn't many abesto removal companies as they were caught scamming, but we all paying for it

amhplumb_2

Asbestos

In our area, asbestos removal contractors are required to be licensed and a permit has to be filed with the county health department. The process takes longer than the majority of the work involved, air samples have to be taken prior, during, and after the asbestos is removed. I keep a very "long arms length" when asbestos removal is involved. I have recommended removal contractors, but I always make sure that they deal directly with the owners. It's better not to be linked with it, i.e. hiring one and adding it to your bid. Hazardous material law suits are a big thing now. You could hire a legitimate removal contractor that does it completely by the book and has all of the documentation and ten years later someone living in that house could end up with un-related lung problems and you could be sued. Think of these guys as a separate trade altogether!

Sonya_2

By Federal law

as set forth by Code of Federal Regulations Title 29 and 40, you Shall be a licensed and certified Asbestos Abatement contractor to do removals. Consider that the exposure limit is only one fiber, that easily fits on a head of a pin, and you'll understand the importance (and costs) of doing proper removals. Leave it alone, you'll be placing more than your business at risk. Respectfully....

Brad White_129

Jim

What struck me is how the asbestos ban was handled. It was banned by Congress in 1968 but because of pressure from the asbestos industry, who had huge stockpiles and had to adapt, they were given a four-year phase-out period extending to 1972.

You guessed it. Asbestos percentages went up and was even used in products where never needed nor used before, in order to deplete their inventory..... Ceiling tiles, concrete, floor tiles, drywall compound... Some always had it then had more. Some never had it, then did.

Naturally boiler lagging, "canvas" flexible furnace connectors and pipe insulation always had it in spades.

In many materials it was not the fire-retardant properties necessarily, but the fiber effect; used as flocking much as horsehair in plaster.

Whenever we have a building of that era (1968-1972) a bell goes off in my head.