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  • Dave Belisle
    Dave Belisle Member Posts: 68
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    Geo thermal

    We just did the plumbing for six systems in a 144 unit apartment complex in Claremont , NH . We plumbed up six 120 gallon tanks before the existing water heaters and piped up the heat exchangers.

    They drilled six wells one hundred feet deep in front of each building ( 36 wells ).Right now they have two of the systems up and running.

    These systems are pre heating the water to 110 degrees before the water goes into the existing electric water heaters.

    It looks like it will pay for it self in short order.

    Dave Belisle

    BP&H
  • Ich Wundermich
    Ich Wundermich Member Posts: 17
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    clean drinking water for cheap heat ?

    How wasteful! How American!
  • David Zierke
    David Zierke Member Posts: 19
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    waters hot RASERS heats the water to 130 degrees. no drilling of any wells would have been required.
  • David Zierke
    David Zierke Member Posts: 19
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    I understand your skepticism

    > My scam meter went off when you said a COP of 4

    > at -15F. I think I would have heard of this

    > amazing feat somehow if it were true.

    >

    > As you

    > mentioned, the condensing coil will ice up. Ice

    > acts as insulation in this case and heat transfer

    > stops.

    >

    > The website didn't do much to educate

    > me. Where else can I look for info? I'm

    > intrigued because it is theoretically possible.



  • David Zierke
    David Zierke Member Posts: 19
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    I understand your skepticism

    But remember most of our success revolves around RECYCLING the BTU's that the customer has already bought.
    It is really difficult for a website to describe how things work. Especially since some of it is being closely held.
    Waters Hot is looking for Distribution Franchisee's and installation franchisee's around the country. Call and inquire. The contact information is available on the website www.watershotinc.com You can call the company and talk to the owner.

    Maybe you can talk Dan into coming to Orange City and checking us out. His book was influential in the decision to go hydronic. And I think everyone on this site thinks a lot of his opinion.
  • David Zierke
    David Zierke Member Posts: 19
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    Correction on COP

    I was mistaken about the COP of 4 at -15 degrees. If the evaporator panel is outside at that temp the COP is 1 to 2. If we can place the panel in a 45 degree heat waste stream we will get a 4. If we can get the panel into warmer heat streams, COP's of 5,6,or 7 could be reached. My apologies for the mistake.
  • Craig Bergman
    Craig Bergman Member Posts: 84
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    I disagree...

    Here in Iowa we are putting Geo into everything from 175,000 "starter" homes to million dollar plus estates.
    Granted, we have very good trade allies with the various energy providers and the rebate incentives they offer. Geo ground loops are also cheaper here because of the number of loop contractors. This is the result of a lot of hard work and dedication by the members of the Iowa Heat Pump Association.

    Bergy
  • David Zierke
    David Zierke Member Posts: 19
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    It isn't just the consumers that are reluctant.

    I find that getting established contractors to try new technologies can be harder than the consumer. Contractors get comfortable installing a certain type of system. They learn how to cut their costs with those systems and they become more specialized. If they aren't starving for work, they have little incentive to try new things especially if they percieve their reputation could be damaged if things don't go well. All valid concerns, but it builds a natural resistance to progress.
    America could get itself out of this energy crunch quicker if contractors would get a little bolder, after all, the consumers rely on the advise and vision of the professionals.

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  • [Deleted User]
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    If you're equipment is as efficient as you say...

    then it should be FANTASTIC in a well setting, no? Constant 40 degree F supply temps and all... Got any ARI or equal numbers to back up your claims?

    I find, that if it looks too good to be true, then it probably is.

    Have you purchased any bricks from Dan for the Wall in trade for all the free advertising you've been doing here?

    Jus' wondering ;-)

    ME
  • David Zierke
    David Zierke Member Posts: 19
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    The equipment would do a great job in a constant 40 degree temperature. But we look for heat streams that are warmer and constant because that improves our COP. Homes are not our target market but we will do them. Our equipment is better suited for users of large quantities of hot water that are wasting BTU's. Show me a woman doing dishes and there are BTU's going down the drain that can be recycled. Show me a dormatory, nursing home, commercial kitchen, laundromat,truck stop, motel, greenhouse, aquatic center, hoghouse, dairy, and there are huge numbers of BTUs to be recycled.
    Our customers don't care about a lot of details, they only care about their operating costs. Most of our business is site specific.
    Waters Hot is not your competitor, unless you manufacture a HVAC system. But for Hydronic Contractors, we are another choice that could help you meet the needs of more potential customers. For many customers,Geothermal is not an option because they are in locations in which their buildings occupy all the space. (City buildings, permits)



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  • Weezbo
    Weezbo Member Posts: 6,232
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    What you say makes sence.

    the examples you site really could use multiple stradgies to recouperate a BTU. Dan the Holohan Man is offering a very special spot for a manufacturer.... i would like to make a slightly different offer regarding perhaps a chance to install a piece of your equipment at the Cold Climate Housing Reasearch Center in Balmy Fairbanks.:) i will put a word in for you if you would like.
  • Allison Mandel
    Allison Mandel Member Posts: 3
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    RASERS

    We have been researching Geothermal systems. We are interested in checking out RASERS as well. Could we speak with you to ask a few questions? Please e-mail us at
    Allison.Mandel@verizon.net so we could call/contact you.
    We would appreciate your advice.
    Thanks!
    Allison& Wade
  • David Zierke
    David Zierke Member Posts: 19
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    Thank you Weesbo

    Just want to thank you for that offer. I will present your note to the company and see if that is anything they want to persue. I will get back to your sometime next week. Is there any information about the research site available?
    Where do I get information about the spot Dan has for a manufacturer???


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