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Positive conservation measures on Long Island

Mad Dog_2
Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,518
in THE MAIN WALL
has had tax exempt status since going online in the Mid 1980s and has just been granted a 25 year tax exemption by the local gov't. THe plant was built to incinerate garbage and generate some electric power in the process. It also enabled the closing of two major landfills. Tax exemption is certainly a good incentive. Mad Dog

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  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,518
    Boy, now no one wants to even touch this subject, huh?

    I just thought someone might like it. Mad Dog

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  • Sweet
    Sweet Member Posts: 31
    Chirp chirp chirp

  • John Shea
    John Shea Member Posts: 247
    Meanwhile...

    in the beautiful city of Detroit...

    Our fine Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick is proposing a 2% city sales tax on fast food. Yep, fast food. That's where all the money is :)
    Only in Detroit!!
  • Keith_8
    Keith_8 Member Posts: 399
    Tax exempt ?

    Why was that necessary?
    If they charge to recieve the garbage and charge for the electricity produced what entitled them to tax exempt status?

    Are they a not for profit?

    My understanding is that Electric is expensive in the Island? Are they doing their part?

    Keith

  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 17,387
    I believe

    those confiscatory rates are in place to pay for decommissioning the Shoreham reactors. Right, MD?

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  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,518
    Yes I believe it is not for profit as well

    Hey its a solid incentive that works out for all. MadDog

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  • Mad Dog_2
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    I think so, Steamhead......................................

    they should've just finished what they started, but that's another story. Mad Dog

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  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,518
    Yeah tax people who are already struggling

    to make ends meet. Mad Dog

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  • leo g_13
    leo g_13 Member Posts: 435
    Hey Dawg!

    we have a solid waste burner here. I think it's been going for about 10-12 years. The "big" problem now of course, "is what do we do about the ash? It's full of bad stuff!"

    I tells ya, ya can't win for nothin now adays!

    Leo G

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  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,518
    We'll find some use for it

    There is alawys going to be some kind of byproduct, but the ratio of ash left over to cubic feet of garbage burned and the fact that the oceans and landfills won't contnue to be dumped in makes it a practical choice right now. Mad Dog

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  • Pat K
    Pat K Member Posts: 88


    Well acording to the Detroit News, 47 percent of adults in
    Detroit are functionaly illiterate.

    So I guess they will not be reading about the tax hike in the news.

    There was an error rendering this rich post.

  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,518
    Just what those people need........................

    more taxes, right? Anyway, I'm not sure how many Kilowatts this palnt generates, but I'm going to look in to it. I always knew what is was for, but this last topic really perked up my antennae. It got a little crazy, but it is a very worthy subject. Mad Dog

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  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,518
    WE thought we hated recycling.????????

    Yesterday's NY Times: Most of Japan has a minimum of 10 recycling categories, but some regions have up to 44! Neighborhood nosybodies go through your trash and will write you a note if you recycling incorrectly. A little too much for me, But that's Japanese-style and they do have a pretty small geographic area to worry about. The most interesting part of the article was how their garbage disposal waste goes immediately to compost. They hope to eliminate garbage dumping and incineration within the next 20 years. Mad Dog

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  • Constantin
    Constantin Member Posts: 3,796
    Where we lived in France...

    ... the recycling guys would open the bin, and if they saw something they didn't like, they'd "red tag" it and leave it full by the curbside. A nice gentleman then showed up a few days later to explain to us what we could and could not recycle in that particular bin. IIRC, we had 4 categories over there, kitchen waste, paper, regular waste, and (plastic, metal, glass).

    It's pretty amazing how little "non-recyclable" trash there is once industry is forced to reduce its ridiculous packaging habits.
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,518
    We may see a return to

    People bringing their own baskets and sacks to the market and stores. Even at our plumbing supply, try to bring in our own plastic tubs to pick up materials because we always wind up with a million boxes that we get stuck cutting up. Mad Dog

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  • leo g_13
    leo g_13 Member Posts: 435
    WOW!

    what a great idea Dawg! In fact, tomorrow, that is exactly what I'm scheduled to do. THE LONG AWAITED GARAGE/SHOP CLEAN-UP!!!! I have already started, and yeah, there seems to be more empty cardboard boxes then anything else. Rubbermaid, your stock is about to rise!

    Thanx Matt!

    Leo G

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  • PJO_7
    PJO_7 Member Posts: 9
    My old company built one of those plants...

    I toured it several years ago. It is an excellent way of not only improving things from an environmental standpoint, but also economically...

    The plant had five sources of income. 1) The trucks paying to dump, 2) The metal that was separated was sold, 3) The ash was sold to a local landfill (after treatment and testing), 4) The steam generated was sold to a nearby mall and also heated the entire plant, 5) Electricity was sold to the grid and the nearby mall.

    No tax incentives, and it paid for itself in about 7 years from what I remember.

    These plants are very expensive to permit, design and build...but certainly cheaper and safer than a nuke plant :-)

    When they fire up the furnace, they start it with #2 oil, then #4, then they start introducing the trash. The bin where the trucks dump was a hole you could put 75 Hummer H2s into (where they belong IMHO) and still not fill it. The claw would take it out, and put it onto one of two hoppers (one for each furnace). One furnace would run 24/7 and the other would come in on weekday mornings. They would build the pile up so they could keep feeding one of the fires. It really was a pretty cool tour...

    The emmissions were amazingly low...I forget how hot it burned but it was toasty! The control room had about 2 minutes to rectify anything out the stack until the DEP and EPA were notified automatically via the interlink directly from the instruments to "big brother".

    I don't know why these are so fought against...the NIMBY syndrome is the biggest reason suppose...

    Take Care, PJO
  • PJO_7
    PJO_7 Member Posts: 9
    My old company built one of those plants...

    I toured it several years ago. It is an excellent way of not only improving things from an environmental standpoint, but also economically...

    The plant had five sources of income. 1) The trucks paying to dump, 2) The metal that was separated was sold, 3) The ash was sold to a local landfill (after treatment and testing), 4) The steam generated was sold to a nearby mall and also heated the entire plant, 5) Electricity was sold to the grid and the nearby mall.

    No tax incentives, and it paid for itself in about 7 years from what I remember.

    These plants are very expensive to permit, design and build...but certainly cheaper and safer than a nuke plant :-)

    When they fire up the furnace, they start it with #2 oil, then #4, then they start introducing the trash. The bin where the trucks dump was a hole you could put 75 Hummer H2s into (where they belong IMHO) and still not fill it. The claw would take it out, and put it onto one of two hoppers (one for each furnace). One furnace would run 24/7 and the other would come in on weekday mornings. They would build the pile up so they could keep feeding one of the fires. It really was a pretty cool tour...

    The emmissions were amazingly low...I forget how hot it burned but it was toasty! The control room had about 2 minutes to rectify anything out the stack until the DEP and EPA were notified automatically via the interlink directly from the instruments to "big brother".

    I don't know why these are so fought against...the NIMBY syndrome is the biggest reason suppose...

    Take Care, PJO
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,518
    Its up to individuals to take the lead

    That's where we can make a difference. Mad Dog

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  • Weezbo
    Weezbo Member Posts: 6,232
    This is one of my favorite subjects also *~/:)

    so when i get home tonight i will try to roll some Weezbo spin in on the subject :)peace.:)
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,518
    uh oh........................................................

    I'll put on the Hendrix and get the black lights on. Actually I am starting to i=understand you weez....you ahhhhheyeght! Mad Dog

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  • GaryDidier
    GaryDidier Member Posts: 229
    recycling

    Mad Dog,

    If those individuals who take the lead are contractors like you and me we can have a bigger influence than most.Besides our personal waste stream we can controll the recycling of the waste produced by our business.

    In my locality we have transfer stations run by the county that accept most items for recycling. The county sells what it can and covers a big part of the operating expenses by doing so. I average a visit about once a week with cardboard, metal scrap, plastics, newspaper, etc. I try very hard to do the right thing and set an example.

    On another subject, have you settled into your new house and how do you like it. Have you started installing any of the new mouldings yet? And finally are you planning on going to Saratoga this summer? Watch out for the slots!!!

    Regards, Gary from Granville
  • GaryDidier
    GaryDidier Member Posts: 229
    recycling

    Mad Dog,

    If those individuals who take the lead are contractors like you and me we can have a bigger influence than most.Besides our personal waste stream we can controll the recycling of the waste produced by our business.

    In my locality we have transfer stations run by the county that accept most items for recycling. The county sells what it can and covers a big part of the operating expenses by doing so. I average a visit about once a week with cardboard, metal scrap, plastics, newspaper, etc. I try very hard to do the right thing and set an example.

    On another subject, have you settled into your new house and how do you like it. Have you started installing any of the new mouldings yet? And finally are you planning on going to Saratoga this summer? Watch out for the slots!!!

    Regards, Gary from Granville
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,518
    Hi Gary yES i DO AGRRE

    We can't rely on the gov't to hold our hands and hit us with the stick, we have to take conservation matters in to our own hands. I remember being about 18 and arguing with my friends not to throw garbage out of the car, to leave our campsites pristine, and not to waste water. Hoping to make it to 'Toga for the August meet - we'lll see how the new baby plays in to that. I'll keep ya posted, We can hook up with Hunt and Darin and hit the races. Mad Dog

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  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 7,518
    What an interesting project that would be to work on

    I imagine we will see more and more of these. The one near us is hemmed in by a parkway, a college , and large shopping area, so residential Nimbyism wasn't so critical. If I ever had the money, I don't think I would splurge on a Hummer (its too....lokk what I got to me)but I do like to have the choice to drive a big SUV or gas guzzlers if thats what suits my fancy. As long as one is willing to pony up for the extra fuel, I think its their business. Thank you for the interesting reply - it reallty has my interest more than ever. Mad Dog

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  • Larry Weingarten
    Larry Weingarten Member Posts: 3,599
    I remember reading...

    ...about how some ash was put to use in making cement block that was used in homebuilding. The only problem was it was found to be radioactive. :~O Back to the drawing board.

    Yours, Larry
  • Sweet_2
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  • Weezbo
    Weezbo Member Posts: 6,232
    Well, i am ba~ack *~/:)...as promised after a very stressed

    out day..
    First let me say that the island i used to live on is a very small group of islands and their combined area never has a person furter than 1&1/2 miles to the sea.its oveall length is ,by road abourr 26 miles long at low tide :)
    So, this made the rcycling gig a early favorite. In Bermuda ,they seperate their Gar Bage plastic tin glass paper biodegradeables ...like that. if you haul a truck load to the land fill you get a fine for every piece of paper or plastic they find!...incineration has been going on there for decades...In Alaska there is a buddy of mine who is into fuel pellets and he makes pellet fuel for the university steam power plant generation boilers.hes been at it for decades now andis constantly making improvements on the formula of the pellets.I would very much like to go back to Bermuda and explain the entire system to them...i think making fuel pellets is a worthwhile thing to do with waste rather than burying it in the ground to fester away for centuries..there are a host of reclamation techniques for various forms ofTrash...A friend of mine who passed a way in a terribly unfortunate accident while riding his snowmachine on the river used to make cement blocks with ash and some "pellets that he made..the strength of the blocks was wasy up there tighter numbers than the cement blocks..he also made some other blocks that were down around 2500 psi...these types of uses of our waste products is really the way to go. Larry mentioned some being made somewhere that were radioactive...well, hmm.... that doesnt sound all good ..however , perhaps they could be used creatively to house even worse materials..sorta providing something of a buffer zone or containment zone...another friend of mine who also passed on,may The Good Lord bless his family , made a sludge burner we hooked into the trash masher and incinerator. many years ago...this is easier to manage than mounds of sludge. the Bermudian government made a giant scoccer stadium and track and fiel stadium out of the prievious land fill ..and its a darn sight more easy on the eyes and Nose :)
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