Waiting time for a plumbing or mechanical permit

Weezbo

have to wait on a plan review and permit ?

Brad White_119

Often it is stated in your code

Depends on how anti-development they are (slows the process) or how "connected" you are, in which case you get it faster and they appoint you as a judge... at least here in Massachusetts...

Check your code, usually in the Administrative section. Often lumped in with plan submission and review, notice to inspectors (notice for inspection).. it varies.

Rodney Summers

Weezbo

It really depends on what you are wanting to do, (and obviously where you live and which code(s) your states adopted). If you need a permit for an emergency boiler replacement, thats an emergency and you *should* be allowed to proceed just by notification to the AHJ with the intent of comming in within typically 5 business days. Same thing is true for an emergency water service replacement or sewer, provided you get all your *markout's* from the utilities you should be allowed to start at once (provided all your prior approvals ((see above)) have been met). As far as additions, alterations, renovations, new homes ect., these usually require some sort of *plan-review*, and if it were within the "Great State of New Jersey" that would be a maximum of 20 business days, but the enforcing agency should make every effort to expedite it (depending on their activity) sooner.

Like the worm!

Is that what is causing the outgasing of Methane from the permafrost thus causing global warming?



Robert O'Connor/NJ

Weezbo

Thanks

Hes an engineering worm used to detect subtle differences in the ice flow:)

Al Letellier_9

permits waiting times

None here in Maine, which is funny considering the levels of licensing we have. Need a permit? Fill out application and pay the fee. Then call for inspection after the job is done. Funny thing is that too few cities and towns require a heating permit, and only 4 State inspectors cover the entire state, for gas and oil. Go figure!!!

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Dave Yates (GrandPAH)_1

waiting

If I walk in cold - a permit takes three hours or more to obtain. If Lois calls ahead and gives them 24 hours, they sometimes have most of the permit work done (about 50% of the time), anfd that takes anywhere from 15 minutes to a bit more than an hour.

Obtaining an inspection has gotten to be a real pain in the butt. Anywhere from 1-day to 5-day delay. Last one, they weren't sure five days would be enough time for them to show up!

Is it any wonder most contractors have stopped picking up permits and/or getting inspections?

Plan reviews take weeks and can stretch into months.

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Brad White_9

Operative Phrase, Dave...

"If Lois calls..."

Nuff' said.

Dave Yates (GrandPAH)_1

you have no idea

just how right you are! I'm also not allowed to do any refrigeration work (by my guys) or be on a refrigeration work site. The standing aroung and waiting to observe finite changes in a refrigerant circuit are not within my circle of patience(G).

Here's a kicker. The plans & review dept head had to go through the permit process a few weeks ago for his own property. When I ran into him at lunch, he noted he now knows our pain and stated that he won't be bothering to obtain any more permits. I asked him why the permit dept computer was sooooo slooooowww & he said it's not tied directly into the permit dept computer (they sit side-by-side). Instead, it's routed through a central processor. D'oh!

I still have to show up to sign for the permit as the Master Plumber (only one active MP license permitted per business) must appear in person to get the permit. Evidently they haven't quite got the hang of using modern communication things like a phone, fax or the Internet!

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Eric_25

3 weeks plus

I waited over three weeks one time in a city in NH, then started the job without it and then paid the $300.00 fine for starting without the permit.

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ScottMP

Dave

This will kill ya ... Many towns allow me to send them in. We fill out about four or five a day, sometimes, and then mail them. Mass code allows the inspector 48 hours to do the inspection. Many times though they may not be able to do it right away and its best not to ruffle feathers. I have to say I really don't have to many problems with inpsectors. The majority really know the code and keep us on the ball.

The hardest this for us is the Other Companys not pulling permits. We cause problems for them because they get caught not pulling thier permits.

Scott

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Brad White_9

That inspector

must be from Mass. Sounds like a trick some would pull around here. It is called "gotcha".

Dave Yates (PAH)

no enforcement here

They say they don't have the time to chase and/or catch the scofflaws. As a result, it's just those who choose to play by the rules that have the rules enforced - that is when the rules enforcers know the rules, which has become a scarce comodity.

Man, I wish we had your ease of doing business with the codes depts. I've tried pointing out that they'd actually increase revenues by adopting modern communication techniques, but I'm tired of hitting my head on that particular brick wall.

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Joe_77

No permits for residential here in MT. Need them for commercial but why get one if there is only two inspectors for most of the state. You will have a long wait to be inspected.

Plumdog_2

Still needs more work

Sometimes here in Colo. our process can be lightning fast; I can get a State Plumbing Permit faster than I can type on a keyboard (which ain't that fast). And, in other jurisdictions (counties or cities having thier own system) the system works pretty slick once your licensed in that particular area. But overall, the system is geared to extract revenues from Plumbers and Electricians and Contractors and Homeowners alike, while the bandits and outlaws run amok because nobody will chase them down. I for one am fed up with it. What they do to you guys in Pa. is disgusting.

Plumdog_2

Cowboy plumbing

Is what we used to call it. Wyoming was that way once. Heck, everywhere was that way once.

Joe_77

I would bet MT changes before to long.

Brad White_120

Do you mean that

Ted Kaczynski did not pull any permits?? I am shocked. Shocked.

Oh, wait. No plumbing.

Never mind.

Plumdog_2

Sure

I went to do a boiler job in Montana once. The homeowner was putting 2" PVC sch 40 between the well head and the house. He said "that's the way everyone does it around here. Thataway you get more pressure."

Joe_77

There are many more like him. You should see what the elec. inspector goes through with some of these people.

Joe_77

> I went to do a boiler job in Montana once. The

> homeowner was putting 2" PVC sch 40 between the

> well head and the house. He said "that's the way

> everyone does it around here. Thataway you get

> more pressure."



That is nothing I just looked at a basement with about 1100' of 1/2" in one piece. He was saving money on manifolds. Still have no idea what to tell the guy.

Weezbo

everyone got an A on my ? *~/:)

only petite detail "ph teet day tie" is ,while all of the above is correct
...would it not make more sence as it were to have an inspector look at the plan when you walked in ,say "go ahead and call me when you have it up to pressure" or "it is completed and functional"..or "the plans are indepth and will require time to review ",or same and.... "when you have this portion in give me a call ?"

in other words have a method to get the work accomplished by degree and decree:)

"Ok That is done " "it looks right nothings is missing from the picture it is at hydrostaic pressure" or "it looks tidy" ..."send lots of money see ya." ?

Weezbo

Then ask in advance what the fee is and pay it because better to

get the work accomplished properly .get on with life "learn the lesson"...maintain a positive attitude ?

or is there some higher spiritual Good that comes from waiting weeks months for a permit to install a 3 compartment sink?