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Question on Quality of Recent Boiler Install

Mark Hunt
Mark Hunt Member Posts: 4,908
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The header is not piped correctly. The supply going to the system should not be coming off between the two risers coming off of the boiler.

The installation manual clearly shows how it should be done.

Mark H

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  • Beckman
    Beckman Member Posts: 8
    Question on Quality of Recent Boiler Install

    I had a new Beckman IN7 steam boiler installed yesterday and have questions about the quality of the work. Someone said this is the best place to ask steam related questions. How well done are the steam pipes on this boiler? Are there any problems/issues? It doesn't look like they did it exactly as it shows in the diagram.

  • Beckman
    Beckman Member Posts: 8
    Question on Quality of Recent Boiler Install

    I had a new Beckman IN7 steam boiler installed yesterday and have questions about the quality of the work. Someone said this is the best place to ask steam related questions. How well done are the steam pipes on this boiler? Are there any problems/issues? It doesn't look like they did it exactly as it shows in the diagram.

    Links to Boiler Pictures:
    http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/5857/boiler1mz5.jpg
    http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/5871/boiler2au8.jpg
    http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2812/boiler3fv2.jpg

    Diagram of Piping in Install Book:
    http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/6406/boiler4vc4.jpg

  • Brad White_9
    Brad White_9 Member Posts: 2,440
    Wait a minute,

    You had a Beckman IN7 boiler put in and your name is Beckman? Oh the ego of it all. Just like I would deighn to install a "Bradford White" water heater.

    Oh, never mind...

    :)
  • Beckman
    Beckman Member Posts: 8


    Sorry, I meant a Burnham IN7.
  • Brad White_9
    Brad White_9 Member Posts: 2,440
    I knew that....

    Just having fun.

    :)


    Will browse and comment when I get the chance.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    can't open with my sidekick

    Will go to friends home and open the post, however, those other guys, Stemhead, mr funnyguy Brad, among the others will give ya the straightforward answers...
  • Beckman
    Beckman Member Posts: 8


    I have already begun a topic on the HVAC forum and they are saying the piping has been done all wrong and is extemely inefficiant. It isn't even how the manufacturer shows in the diagram.

    If anyone could give me more information it would be appriciated, I am going to give some hell to the gas company about this in about an hour and a half when they call me back.
  • Brad White_9
    Brad White_9 Member Posts: 2,440
    Ouch

    Yes, as Mark said, the takeoff has to come off the header at a point after the risers combine.

    The way you have it will have converging sloshing and hammer, wet steam up the pipe.

    I cannot tell which side is the return (there seems to be a downcomer on the right but the header pitches off to the left.

    Typically the flow sequence should be, from the boiler up both risers to the header, then the take-off to the radiators, then a drop to the return (to drain the header of condensed steam) and into this drop the Hartford Loop connects 2 inches below the waterline.

    If in doubt, the directions are always right.
  • Beckman
    Beckman Member Posts: 8


    I have taken additional pictures that better show the steam piping above:

    http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/6466/boiler6oo5.jpg
    http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/5742/boiler5qp1.jpg
  • Mark Hunt
    Mark Hunt Member Posts: 4,908
    Install instructions

    This might help.

    Mark H

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  • Unknown
    Unknown
    got to see one pix

    Got to see one pix, whoa, u are gonna have problems big time! As others say,never pipe the supply off between two headers, every steam books and boiler manuels shown how to properly pipe the steam boiler, where are ur installer from? Did u get the lowest bidder?
  • Beckman
    Beckman Member Posts: 8


    I had my gas company come out and do the estimate. It came to $8800, including a new chimney liner which didn't have to be done. So the price is going to go down by at least $1000. I did shop around after I got the contract and people were citing $6000-$8000. But that didn't include the chimney liner.

    Basically I was paying for quality and convienece, which turned out to not be the case. I am going to make sure I get some good discounts for all this trouble.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    gettin

    Gettin the discount will not make the steaming better or drier... The boiler will have to be repiped for it to works properly.... By the way make sure the gas company put the sticker on the boiler,
  • Beckman
    Beckman Member Posts: 8


    What sticker are you talking about?

    The guy is coming out to address all my complaints (boiler not sitting on 4 feet, emergency shutoff switch on the boiler where I don't want to be during an emergency, exposed wiring, damage to my dehumidfier, improper steam piping, damage to the exterier jacket of the boiler). It really was a botched job if I have ever seen one.
  • Todd_12
    Todd_12 Member Posts: 55
    Boiler Base

    That boiler base provides no structural support. Cinderblocks were meant to be stacked with the holes vertically. I personally always use solid blocks.

    As far as the piping, while a neatly done job, its incorrect. The others have explained it already.
  • Steamhead (in transit)
    Steamhead (in transit) Member Posts: 6,688
    Here's a similar boiler piped right

    by our friend Matt "Mad Dog" Sweeney. Not sure how the image ended up so crooked......

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  • Mark Hunt
    Mark Hunt Member Posts: 4,908
    Company sticker


    Make sure the gas company puts their company sticker on the boiler.

    If anything ever happens to the boiler, your lawyer will know who to call.

    Mark H

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  • Beckman
    Beckman Member Posts: 8


    The guy was just here to address my concerns. He is saying that the piping is fine and that it does not have to be as shown in the diagram, that is how they do it on all their jobs.

    Is it possible that it is piped correctly?
  • Rob_35
    Rob_35 Member Posts: 33
    HO opinion

    Two points:

    1) if the piping doesn't look like what is called for on the installation diagrams, then it's not right.

    2) if the gentlemen on this web site say it's wrong, then it is wrong. These folk are the best in the country.

    If that's how they do it on all their jobs, then they've done a lot of incorrect installs. Heard that one before....
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    don't pay him!

    Don't pay him! Proved he doesn't know what he's doing .....
  • Brad White_9
    Brad White_9 Member Posts: 2,440
    Ingorance

    Ignornance: Not knowing what you do not know, is correctable.

    When confronted with knowledge and experience plus evidence in the form of a manufacturer's required piping means and methods and it is ignored, that has another word: Stupidity.

    You can fix ingorance. You cannot fix stupid.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Please Contact Me

    Please contact me at the e-mail address below with your name, address, phone(s) along with the name, address and phone of your installer and I will see to it that someone gets in contact with him to straighten this out. I will also need the serial number of the boiler.

    gstanton@burnham.com

    Glenn Stanton

    Manager of Training

    Burnham Hydronics

    U.S. Boiler Co., Inc.
  • Jeff Lawrence_24
    Jeff Lawrence_24 Member Posts: 593
    Okay

    he says it's right.

    Get the manufacturers rep out there to look at it.

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