Buderus install

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of pipes and wiring this job was . Notice the circuit breakers to the left of the boiler . You had to reach around this tin can to get to them . There was 1 monoflow zone and 2 baseboard zones connected .

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We used a Buderus and stand alone indirect

Not everything was piped and wired like I would have liked , but we were under the gun - it had to be done in one day . I would have piped the header somewhere else then over the Logomatic and made the wiring a little neater . But all in all , it didn't come out half bad . We also left plenty of room to get to the breakers .

The indirect comes with some sort of anode protection that gets powered 24 volts . Can anyone tell me how this works ? We only had time to plug it in , I didn't read the details . Thanks .

todd s

Another great job

As usual. That's alot to get done in 1day and be home by 6 posting photos. Its too bad the tank pipes out the back, in a small space it has to go in "backwards". The anode is electronic on these tanks, there's a red/green light on the tank to indicate when to change the rod. This tank also has a nice large access hole to clean the coil/tank. This is a water heater that could concievably last a lifetime. I don't know of any American made tank that is this well thought out or constructed. You have given these people a great job and they will be loving you with the fuel savings!

Constantin

Amazing work as always...

... the burner tube is longer than I expected! I hope that the homeowners also do not continue to use the piping as clothes hanger rods, or that you were able to support it adequately to do double duty... :-)

As usual, the piping, electrical work, etc. is amazing when one considers that it was two of you for a day. I'm sure there are some owners who berate their techs every time they see your posts and vent "why can't my guys do this?" Congrats again, and thanks for the pics.

As for the anode system, it basically counteracts the galvanic corrosion potential by adding a minute amount of current inside the boiler. IIRC, such coils are frequently added to things like pipelines to ensure that the pipeline isn't eaten.

lchmb

per the norm

Excellent per the norm...I notice that you got your hand's on more IFC's...they made that look so clean...What in the world was that old boiler? It look's like an old beer can...

bob_44

LCHMB

That looks to me like either a Triad or maybe a Edwards, notice how they pump away out of the bottom of the boiler, good setup. bob

Steve_35

Really nice work

especially considering you did it in a day. Did that include yanking out he old piece of cr...err equipment?

One small suggestion if I may. If you point the brass tee coming out of the DHW tank down and use one more 90 you'll have a cheap heat trap that works well.

clammy

As usual awesome

As allways plum and neat and under the gun you guys hammer ain't no slacking goin on thumbs up Ron .The tranny that has the 110v plug is a electric anode kit they have been using them in europe for a while i first saw them in 98 in germany didn't have time to ask i was to busy absorbing all the other amazingly neat mechinacal work.I know that the piping out of the rear of the tank seem to take a bit to get used to i usually pipe all the stubs up and spin her around that blast tube look quite long but as usually that on fanastic job and the ho is probaly quite happy wait till they see how much less fuel there gonna burn also .Again ron great work can never say enough good stuff about your install kudos peace clammy

ScottMP

A couple more of those Ron

And I'll be calling you to move up to Massachusettes !

As always, Great looking work. Who set up the control ?

I would be a little concerned with having it over the logomatic control. A couple of drips from a flange or packing nut and thats an expensive replacement.

How did you like the Buderus ?

Thanks for all the pictures, they are great for others to see.

Scott

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Yeah , aint that tube long ?

I think Buderus recommeds the longest tube for a cleaner burn , but to tell the truth we use the shortest tube on alot of jobs with no ill effects .

Yep , we thought there was alot of weight on the supply pipe so we used pipe hangers wherever we could for the copper after the circs .

This job we lucked out with 5 installers - Ken , Phil , Paul , Danny and me . It could have been done with 4 , but the way into the basement was tricky , of course . And we had a very inquisitive homeowner , which I usually don't mind . But he was literally looking over our shoulders as we worked , asking questions all along . Which takes time to answer .

Thank you very much Constantin for the kind words , and the explanation of the anode system . Hey , I wonder if anyone makes this thing as an aftermarket item ?

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Unfortunately

we had to rip out the old piece of sh..

And it had ALOT of chamber that just fell out the bottom . I hope that vermiculite was asbestos free ..... I kinda like the custom jacket on the front of the boiler , made out of smoke pipe .

Thanks for the suggestion about the heat trap . Paul set up the indirect away from the boiler area while we piped the boiler out . We slid the indirect in after almost everything was connected . There was really no room to have the tank in place while we piped the heating zones . Thanks alot pitman9 .

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That's the one thing

that makes these tight jobs difficult , everything is situated in the back with the Buderus . When I built up the header pipe , my only concern was having the pumps accesible . The Logamatic being under them didn't cross my mind till it was too late . Do you think Buderus makes a water resistent cover for the control ?

I took a peek at the top of the indirect and saw the access hole . Looks like something that belongs on a submarine . Very well constructed , but I don't like how the temp control wire sits in the well . Seems very easy to accidentally pull it out , and they didn't ship the clip that holds it in place .

I'm gonna see if this job can be tracked for fuel consumtion , compare the percentage of fuel saved to similar installs with a conventional boiler and indirect . Thanks alot Todd .

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The IFCs

definitely saved us alot of aggravation . I'm more interested in getting my hands on the flange / valve / flocheck that Hot Rod posted a few weeks ago . We asked our supplier about stocking them and never heard back . Does anyone know offhand who makes those flanges , I forgot ?

The front plate on that old guzzler was long gone , so someone made a new one out of smokepipe . It looked like a Federal , but I could be wrong . Yeah it does look like a silver bullet huh ? Thanks again Lchmb .

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Clammy

That anode wire through us for a loop at the end of the job - we had no clue what it was . We actually thought it accidentally fell in the Buderus box from the homeowners cluttered shelves . Then we read the instructions ( after the install , of course ) .

Yes , the piping out the back takes some getting used to for sure . Paul piped up the tank away from the boiler area , then we slid it in . Personally I like to pipe it in place , makes levelling the copper easier , but on this job every minute counted .

Thank you very much Clammy .

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I'm ready to go now !

When the office realizes we can do this in one day , I can imagine what's next ? This was one of those non-stop jobs . We did take lunch , but a 10 minute break don't give you time to digest air .

Hey Scott , do you know if Buderus makes a waterproof top for this control ? I can't be the 1st one to make this blunder , I hope .

I do like the Buderus , that is if we have the time and area to install it . Getting the boiler in the basement was a cast iron **** for sure . I saw they make a special handtruck for the Buderus , you ever use it ? But overall , I think it's a good piece of engineering . We did have some issues with the control - it was doing some funky things we couldn't figure out . For one , when we turned the water heater dial all the way down to get the heating zones to run , it kept the priority indirect pump running for minutes at a time . I'm guessing theres some logic built in that I'm gonna have to read up on .

Thanks alot Scott for you comments . I'm sorry about the delay for the cd . I haven't posted in a while because of a 2 week flu , which I'm finally getting over . I'm gonna work on it and send it out by Monday .

jerry scharf_3

flange/flow check

Ron Jr.

You must have some magician in you. It's like the curtain drops for a moment (just a few hours) and work of crap turns into a work of beauty.

B&G has been making them for maybe a year or so. I don't have the part number handy. Others may have them as well now.

jerry

clammy

No thank you Ron

No Thank you Ron for taking the time to post your work and to show others that even under the gun one day change outs can be piped and wired with quality and craftmanship and not on a 1 out of a 100 scale but on every install that's what making a difference means it means sticking to standards that you set yourself not that some one else implies upon you .This is one of the reason i always comment on your work i know i've been there and i have experience to know what it takes to do a job like that without much help and to have it come out in such a way that enables the HO to save money in the long run on future servicing of there unit because the guy who put it in took pride annd was smart enough to think for the future .Once again Ron thanks for carring the torch of old time craftmanship and giving a S*** attuide that truely puts on top of the heap ! peace and enjoy the rest of the weekend you deserve it clammy