How's this for a flange/ purge

hr

Just recieved my first Webstone order.

Consider when you use a check pump like the Super Brute. I feel you eliminate the need for iso on the discharge. This is plenty of "hold power" to remove and replace a power head or cartridge, IMO.

With this package as the discharge flange of the circ, you can purge and flush out debris through the loop and back to the pump discharge.

This gives you the flange, (rotate-able), purge or chemical injection port, and a female fitting to sweat and plumb away.

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Weezbo

Fine purchase*~/:)

that way you can dial the purge to where you want it to be

Wayco Wayne_2

Interesting

Make the Webstone flanges last for 2 circs and put a purge valve on the outlet. The should sell them in a package that way. WW

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clammy

different flanges

Unless i'm mistaken those are a little different then the webstone flanges i've been getting usually there all solid brass and there aviable with or without the purge but either way they do rule peace clammy

hr

Right on, Weezer

as you know, you need to adjust the purge flow rate to match or stay just below the fill vale flow and related pressure drop. Otherwise you never get a complete purge. Fast fill option valves are nice for that function.

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hr

These flanges

are from Intermountain in Bozeman, Montana. Paul Rohrs hooked me up with some from his former employer. Call around for a dealer near you.

I use my REMS expander to turn them into FIP copper connections. Or use the Webstone purge fitting.

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ScottMP

I am confused

Are you saying, no shut off on the discharge side of the pump ? Draining down the whole loop at night to change a pump on a large system is'nt my idea of a fun Friday night

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tls_9

Rod?

The "REMS Expander" Thats a power swedge tool?

tom

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Scott

the pump has to be one with an intergral check, like the Grundfos Super Brute.

I connected a garden hose to the discharge flange of a Super Brute in my shop. Then I put 100 psi air pressure over it. I was able to remove the motor and impeller assembly from the Volute, as the check held that well.

Rare for me to replace a volute if the new and old pieces are compatiable. Same with Taco. I image most replace cartridges not the entire assembly? Isn't that the selling feature of a replaceable cartridge circulator?

It's rare to have a failed circ these days. I have a 10 year track record now on the updated circs on the market. Better pump technology and more attention to water quality are to be credited, I suppose.

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hr

A REMS \"dual tool\"

This Hurrican is both a power expander, which does NOT require that you soften the hard drawn tube first, and it is also a tee puller.

Not quite as high tech as the T-Drill brand, as it takes two steps. About the same result.

I also have a hand expander from REMS. You must soften the copper tube first to use this tool. Simply heat it red then cool,and expand.

We use the hand expander to assemble our PAP crimp fittings. Slide on the copper crimp ring, then gently expand the PAP. This assures you don't rip or roll the small o-rings from the fittings. Much easier to push on, also.

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Brian_19

internal check

I once had a small piece of copper get stuck on the internal check. I still like to use two valves on a pump.

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Weezbo

Yesterday morning i was looking at the t puller extractor...

from rems....i wanted to ask you about something called a dimpler...another tool? any insights to cut the learning curve? oh ambushed the disributors display model for renai:) Great guy. BTW we can get these now in Alaska....

hr

Brian, that's my point

with a good full port flush valve you have a better ability to adequately power flush all the crud out of the system, before it can get to checks, etc.

Imagine if the copper chip ended up in a mix valve spool, impeller vane, or other unwelcomed spot!

Nothing wrong with good isolation on both sides of the circ. Good for you for insisting on that Make sure they are quality isos that will work and not leak after use would be my suggestion. Skip the cheepo screw slot, non packing, types, IMO.

Just trying to think outside the pipe here. The full flow purge ability was more of my driving force.

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hr

By dimpler

you mean the tool that pushes a little dot to prevent the tube from slipping too far into the hole?

By far T-Drill has a better tool. It both dimples and notches a curve in the end of the "branch" tube. Newer versions double dimple to meet some federal code requirement for inspection purpose.

The REMS dimpler is a simple pliers with a button and hole to push up a dimple. Actually mine broke the pin after a few uses.

I suspect that red T-Drill dimpler is worth some big $$s. This is from my large T-Drill that goes to 2"

I've been hounding REMS to build me 1-1/4" ability for the expander and hand expander. They built me a custom wheel for my CURVO to handle 1-1/4" tube. Little did they know that opened the door, in my mind

REMS has been very nice to work with regarding special request.

Watch for their $500.00, lightweight copper press tool to hit the shelves soon. It presses copper, crimps pex, and has a 3/8" all thread cutter head! as well as a cable cutter. Supposed to be a cordless version, also.

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Weezbo

) Cool:) Little did they Realize..:) Uh Huh

I like the way You think The friends of yours at REMS are like well if thats what you would like to see Hmmm....got my 1&1/4 day before yesterday These are some outasight people in the REMS crew Buddy Fred says See if you can get them to make a head that does spirals he had the wife on stand by to take him to the hospital last month just in case trying to make a spiral took a nasty turn

Unknown

Those look real handy

to use on the return piping to purge the zone out , as well as on the discharge of the pump . Can you give us a ballpark price on these tee drains ? Do they come in all the common sizes ? And also , those copper insets that go through the pump flange , will they slip through a regular , threaded flange ? Reason I ask is because we get a set of threaded flanges with every Taco we purchase . Oh crap almost forgot - you posted pics of a pump flange / ball valve / flocheck all in one . Can you tell me who makes it ? Thanks alot Hot Rod .

hr

More flange tips

I'm gonna guess under $4 for these 1" Webstone tee/purge deals? I believe 3/4- 1-1/2" sizes available.

Yes, the Intermountain sweat flange will go through the flange that comes with Taco pumps. This black flange came with the Ultra/ Taco package, just has China stamped in it

I wish Jim would offer just that copper piece and let the installer use iron threaded flanges instead. Less inventory, shipping cost, etc.

I like the B&G iso and iso-check-trol flange best, if I can't get a pump with intergral check. Well built, adjustable, a nice valve.

I recently had a B&G PL-40 to install. I didn't realize this pump uses the wider bolt pattern! So I hack sawed through the flange to build slots to make up the difference. I used a heavy SAE washer for extra strength.

I think B&G does make the correct bolt pattern iso valve, however.

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