low mass condensing boilers

Justin Gavin_3

How is your home set up? What type of heating do you have?
Do you heat your domestic hot water(showers, dishes) with your boiler. How long do you plan on living at your home?
What type of fuel do you use?

ddenny

low mass condensing boilers

any opinions on the better ones? seems like a good choice for someone with an old delapidated chimney. how bout the munchkin boiler?

Greg Swob

Yeah, how about the Munchkin boiler?

I doubt anyone will argue that the Munchkin is not a good choice. We put in them or Trinity Ti's. It's all personal taste, application, budget, trust in your supplier, installer, etc. I haven't seen all the brands of condensors and there are many to choose from. My supplier is wonderful, nothing but top notch service from some very helpful and friendly folks, so we buy their brands. Not only that, but we feel we have a grasp of the unique features of these models by now and would have to start all over with another brand and find a supplier who can match the service we enjoy now. Whichever model chosen it MUST be installed per instructions- no free lancing on piping. Ford, Chevy, Dodge, Yankees, Sox... we all have our pet brands or teams for various reasons.

Andrew Hagen (ALH)

There are many

The Munchkin has a few shortcomings with respect to quality of construction. The Triangle Tube Prestige looks interesting for particular applications, though I have yet to work with one.

There is no wall hung condensing boiler better than the Viessmann Vitodens.

-Andrew

Steve Ebels_3

My humble opinion

There is nothing on the market in the condensing/modulating boiler arena that compares to the Vitodens as far as construction, quality of materials, features and benefits. It simply has no issues hanging in the background like nearly all other products in that category do. No aluminum block that's subject to corrosion if the water quality isn't correct. No silicone holding the heat exchanger together. No mish mash of semi integrated controls. It does it all seamlessly in about any type of system you could install it on. It will also continue to do it all far longer than anything else I have run across. If it sold for $1,500 less it would be the only boiler worth considering.

Ron Schroeder_3

Ford, Chevy, Dodge, an excellent analogy

If you want a great long term relationship with the service department, buy one. Same goes for the appliances mentioned.

If you want a great long term relationship with your earnings, buy a Toyota or a Vitodens.

Enough

service department

Are you saying I will see a lot of my service man if I install a Triangle Prestige? I need flexible venting through my chimney and that is not an option with Vitodens (unless I burn inside air). I am looking at Triangle as a solution for this but do not want to shoot myself in the foot (my current boiler is working).

Steve

Steve Ebels_3

The TP

I have no experience with the Triangle so I can't comment on service issues or durability.

As far as venting a Vito goes, they are somewhat limited when using the direct vent system supplied by Viessmann. If you go with room air and single pipe it, you have a lot more flexibility however, you will lose the Balanced Flue design that Viessmann has engineered into their venting system.

Think outside the box a little (the boiler room box) as far as location for a Vito. We have installed several in locations that are remote from the boiler room due to issues with venting, condensate or whatever. The Vito will fit and work nicely in almost any room such as a closet, laundry, back entry or whatever. Being sealed combustion, we have even hung them in a garage and piped the water lines into the existing boiler room. Be creative.

leo g_13

HTP

are an excellent company that has stood firmly behind their product! Don't let the innuendoes fool you. I myself, though have a high regard for the big V, still find it hard to understand, why they make their systems so complicated. i.e. low loss headers, mixing valves, etc.

The Munchkin Vision controls, I find personnaly, to be more to my way of thinking. Use the boiler to control the temp that is necessary at this moment. It is after all, a MODULATING condensing boiler.

Just my opinion, but have installed both.

Leo G

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Justin Gavin_3

Longevity

Also look at the system from a long term commitment. Do you want to replace your boiler in 10 years? or perhaps 5? you have to install as directed by the manufacturer no exceptions. With that said read the fine print, set the combustion correctly, do your preventive maintenance and design your system correctly and your boiler will last a long time. If you neglect the boiler it will disappoint you because all of the fuel savings you gained in its short life you lost because of the new "replacement" cost. Unfortuanetly we are a "throw away" society and seem te be short sighted. If you don't plan on maintenance than save your money for something else.

Good Luck,

Justin