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Heat Recovery Ventilation Recommendations
Brad White_9
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of specific manufacturers to others in this forum. I have both a Lifebreath 200 and a Deschamps unit (second hand but of 300 cfm capacity), sensible-only units that work fine. There are others of which I am eager to learn more especially reports from the field over time.
But I do want to address your concerns about the 70 foot duct run. It is not the length but the total pressure drop that matters.
IOW: The duct size can be increased to compensate for what might be excessive when sized conventionally. What you have to work with is a given ESP (external static pressure; that which is left for your use after the internal components of plenums, filters and the exchanger are taken into account). A little up-sizing of the duct goes a long way because the pressure drop changes by the square of the flow.
And forget elbows taken as so many equivalent feet of duct; that is a rough rule of thumb method. I use the coefficient C x velocity pressure. Fitting losses are dynamic primarily, (wholesale changes in direction of mass flow) not friction (surface rubbing along the duct walls).
I would encourage this so that you can avoid installing the unit in the attic.
Another trick is, if you are distributing widely in the house, you can install a "Ring Duct" which can significantly reduce system pressure requirements. This is specific to your layout of which I know nothing so may not apply to you.
BTW: 70 feet with a few fittings is not that long a duct if you size it at say 0.05" per 100 feet and velocities below 500-600 FPM for air flows less than 300 cfm. 10-inch round or 10x8 or 14x6 would be typical sizes with these characteristics. A run such as you describe, not including the grilles, might total 0.10 inches. With grilles perhaps 0.15".
Word of advice though: Seal the duct thoroughly, every seam, joint and point of leakage, with brush-on duct sealant. (Hardcast Iron Grip I like). Leakage losses are not recoverable in terms of delivery to your spaces. I am bullish on duct sealing. Airtight is the goal, not "well enough". When you are dealing with the generally small airflows of HRV's, every cfm is precious.
But I do want to address your concerns about the 70 foot duct run. It is not the length but the total pressure drop that matters.
IOW: The duct size can be increased to compensate for what might be excessive when sized conventionally. What you have to work with is a given ESP (external static pressure; that which is left for your use after the internal components of plenums, filters and the exchanger are taken into account). A little up-sizing of the duct goes a long way because the pressure drop changes by the square of the flow.
And forget elbows taken as so many equivalent feet of duct; that is a rough rule of thumb method. I use the coefficient C x velocity pressure. Fitting losses are dynamic primarily, (wholesale changes in direction of mass flow) not friction (surface rubbing along the duct walls).
I would encourage this so that you can avoid installing the unit in the attic.
Another trick is, if you are distributing widely in the house, you can install a "Ring Duct" which can significantly reduce system pressure requirements. This is specific to your layout of which I know nothing so may not apply to you.
BTW: 70 feet with a few fittings is not that long a duct if you size it at say 0.05" per 100 feet and velocities below 500-600 FPM for air flows less than 300 cfm. 10-inch round or 10x8 or 14x6 would be typical sizes with these characteristics. A run such as you describe, not including the grilles, might total 0.10 inches. With grilles perhaps 0.15".
Word of advice though: Seal the duct thoroughly, every seam, joint and point of leakage, with brush-on duct sealant. (Hardcast Iron Grip I like). Leakage losses are not recoverable in terms of delivery to your spaces. I am bullish on duct sealing. Airtight is the goal, not "well enough". When you are dealing with the generally small airflows of HRV's, every cfm is precious.
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Heat Recovery Ventilation Recommendations
I am building a house in Alaska and am looking for recommendations for a heat recovery ventilation system. Does anybody have any suggestions? The unit will be installed in a 5500 sq-ft, 4 bedroom house. The unit will probably be installed in the crawl space, although the bedrooms being on the 2nd floor will require a 70' duct run for the supplied air. Does this sound reasonable? If the runs are too long then the unit will have to be installed in the attic. I am a little leary about the attic installation as I am concerned about the cold attic space in the winter shortening the life of the HRV unit. Any suggestions you have will be appreciated.
Thanks,
Greg0
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