Water as a source of fuel

Ron Schroeder

Hi Mitch,

Sure it's possable.........but it takes more energy to split it than you get back when you burn it. These "Browns Gas" welders use an awfull lot of electricity to make the "free" fuel.

Ron

Don \"Grumpy\" Walsh

Could this be real?

The car ran 100 miles on 4 oz of water. That would be 3200 miles to the gallon!

Mike Lampkin_2

Now that's amazing...

How one person can change the world's thinking.

Constantin

Consider the source :-P

Unless his process of splitting H₂ from H₂O is somehow violating the laws of thermodynamics, he needs a fuel source (most likely electricity) to make it work, and at a loss of some % efficiency.

Even if 99% efficient (and I doubt that would be possible), you still have to deal with the reality that powerplants are converting ~30% of the incoming fuel into electricity, the rest is lost. That ends up being about as efficient as internal combustion engines doing rotary work (i.e. about 30% conversion). So, no gain there.

For me, a revolution would be sparked if someone could figure out a cost-effective way to address this massive waste of heat being vented to atmosphere instead of doing work. The steam generator in BMWs is one approach that could be interesting, as is the 6-cycle engine being written about on the internet.

Gordy

Hydrogen

Uhmm Yeah, and cold fussion is around the corner. Sorry just using hydrogen. Still has to be extracted from the water. "Revolutionary electrolyses" okay!

Ron Schroeder

Water is not a source of fuel. It takes a lot more energy than you get out of it to seperate this gas from water.

It is sometimes called "Brown's Gas"

Here is some more info:

http://www.phact.org/e/bgas.htm

It reminds me of a "magic chemical" that was sold a few years ago where if you add 10% of it to your fuel, you are guaranteed a 5% increase in fuel economy.

Mitch_4

you know

maybe he is not splitting hydrogen from the O2, but his process changes it from a non combustible water milecule to a molecular configuration capable of sustaining combustion??

from what I remember of Chemistry, it does not seem possible, but hey...they said will never fly too