Does New Energy Bill apply to boilers?

TomStayer

Folks,

See the FCX by Monitor Products, Inc. www.monitorproducts.com/fcx.htm

I have one making my DHW as we speak.

Franklin

Does New Energy Bill apply to boilers?

Reading the Wall Street Journal about consumer tax credits for purchasing energy efficient appliences today. They have an AC unit pictured but no pictures or mention of boilers and/or heating equipment. Anybody know if boilers qualify and if so, which models?

Firedragon_4

Anything that

is EnergyStar rated from what I've read.

Lots of boilers, regardless of fuel type, plenty of gas furnaces, pickins are slim on oil FWA.

Franklin

RE: Does New Energy Bill apply to boilers?

Thanks.

Ted_4

Got it

> Thanks.

Ted_4

Got it

right in front of me. Just did a summary for my boss.

Up to $150 credit for gas/propane/oil-fired boilers with an AFUE of 95% or better. G/p/o-fired water heaters must have an EF of 0.80 to qualify.

Joe Brix

Unfair to oil

No oil appliance sold in the US has a 95% AFUE rating.
EnergyStar rating is only 85% right?

Firedragon_4

You're right,

and that figures! Maybe the worse piece of legislation ever passed. So much pork it looks like a pig roast!

[Deleted User]

$150.00, that's a joke right......RIGHT?

They can keep my tax dollars if that's all they're willing to give for a retrofit that could possibly reduce teh consumers heatng bill by half.

I don't need their (our) stinkin' money!!!

I've seen what "tax incentives" did to the solar industry, and I DON'T want to see it happen to this industry. We've got enough battles on our hands:-)

I say screwe the tax incentives and raise the cost of energy to its "real value" and watch conservation kick in. When the going gets tough, the tough go shopping. They'll get tired of giving their retirement funds to the utility and invest wisely in "off shelf" conservation, i.e., super efficient boilers and solar DHW systems. If you want people top conserve, grab their wallet and see what they do...

JM$0.02W

PS, If they want to do something right, have them allow people to completely write off the cost of installing better, more accurate carbon monoxide detection systems.

Nah... that would only cause more people to live, thereby causing more stress on the system:-)...

ME

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Wayco Wayne_2

Where

would i find info on the energy bill? Has it passed?? When will it be implemented. Some rep from Arizona was on the radio last night lambasting it. I'm curious. WW

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Mike T., Swampeast MO

Here's the text of the new energy bill that just passed the senate and is awaiting Presidental signature. He might have signed very recently--can't recall--but approval is certain.

Happy reading–it's over 1,000 pages. At least on-line version appears well indexed.

Mike T., Swampeast MO

This seems to be the section pertaining to rebates for boilers, etc. $50 million each year to go to the various state programs and up to 50% of this can be used to "establish and carry out", e.g. for administrative costs. If the full 50% is used for administrative costs (here's betting it will) this amounts to about 10¢ per person per year or about 28¢ per household per year. If one in one thousand households do something to qualify in a given year that's about $280 available.

As Mark said, the bill seems little more than another GIANT (billions) subsidy to traditional energy sources that only serves to prevent us from directly seeing the "real" cost of energy. Such does NOT encourage conservation or alternatives; instead it continues to encourage waste and the status quo. At least the corn farmers in my area will have more money to spend at my store...

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SEC. 123. ENERGY EFFICIENT APPLIANCE REBATE PROGRAMS.

(a) DEFINITIONS- In this section:

(1) ELIGIBLE STATE- The term `eligible State' means a State that meets the requirements of subsection (b).

(2) ENERGY STAR PROGRAM- The term `Energy Star program' means the program established by section 324A of the Energy Policy and Conservation Act (as added by section 131(a)).

(3) RESIDENTIAL ENERGY STAR PRODUCT- The term `residential Energy Star product' means a product for a residence that is rated for energy efficiency under the Energy Star program.

(4) STATE ENERGY OFFICE- The term `State energy office' means the State agency responsible for developing State energy conservation plans under section 362 of the Energy Policy and Conservation Act (42 U.S.C. 6322).

(5) STATE PROGRAM- The term `State program' means a State energy efficient appliance rebate program described in subsection (b)(1).

(b) ELIGIBLE STATES- A State shall be eligible to receive an allocation under subsection (c) if the State--

(1) establishes (or has established) a State energy efficient appliance rebate program to provide rebates to residential consumers for the purchase of residential Energy Star products to replace used appliances of the same type;

(2) submits an application for the allocation at such time, in such form, and containing such information as the Secretary may require; and

(3) provides assurances satisfactory to the Secretary that the State will use the allocation to supplement, but not supplant, funds made available to carry out the State program.

(c) AMOUNT OF ALLOCATIONS-

(1) IN GENERAL- Subject to paragraph (2), for each fiscal year, the Secretary shall allocate to the State energy office of each eligible State to carry out subsection (d) an amount equal to the product obtained by multiplying--

(A) the amount made available under subsection (f) for the fiscal year; and

(B) by the ratio that--

(i) the population of the State in the most recent calendar year for which data are available; bears to

(ii) the total population of all eligible States in that calendar year.

(2) MINIMUM ALLOCATIONS- For each fiscal year, the amounts allocated under this subsection shall be adjusted proportionately so that no eligible State is allocated a sum that is less than such minimum amount as shall be determined by the Secretary.

(d) USE OF ALLOCATED FUNDS- The allocation to a State energy office under subsection (c) may be used to pay not more than 50 percent of the cost of establishing and carrying out a State program.

(e) ISSUANCE OF REBATES-

(1) IN GENERAL- A rebate may be provided to a residential consumer that meets the requirements of the State program.

(2) AMOUNT- The amount of a rebate shall be determined by the State energy office, taking into consideration--

(A) the amount of the allocation to the State energy office under subsection (c);

(B) the amount of any Federal or State tax incentive available for the purchase of the residential Energy Star product; and

(C) the difference between--

(i) the cost of the residential Energy Star product; and

(ii) the cost of an appliance that is not a residential Energy Star product, but is of the same type as, and is the nearest capacity, performance, and other relevant characteristics (as determined by the State energy office) to, the residential Energy Star product.

(f) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS- There is authorized to be appropriated to the Secretary to carry out this section $50,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2006 through 2010.

dconnors

95% for tax credit?

What section did you see that in Ted?

Ted_4

95%

Don't have the text on my desk anymore, but the boiler descriptions are in a section of definitions of "qualified" energy efficiency improvements: "Energy Efficient Building Property."

Constantin

...oh, that's nothing.

In the latest transportation bill chaired by him, Alaska Rep. Don Young brought $941M to Alaska, which is about $1,500 per Alaskan while the rest of the US has to get by with $86 per capita. Further highlights of the bill include a $223M bridge from Gravina Island (population 50) to Ketchikan (pop. 8,000), $231M to connect Port Mackenzie to Anchorage, etc.

Just to think what could be accomplished if that money was spent on more productive purposes instead of bridges that connect nothing to nothing.