You can lead a politician to water........(GrandPAH)

Dave Yates (PAH)

this article: http://www.yorkdispatch.com/searchresults/ci_4052851

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Dave Yates (PAH)

common sense or uncommonly senseless...

you be the judge. They want 12K from the vendors!

http://www.yorkdispatch.com/local/ci_4046217

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Larry (from OSHA)

I'd say

someone who was looking for some needed dollars in the general fund thought they found some easy money.

My verdict would be short sighted and uncommonly senseless. What ever happened to give a little to get a little?

Leo

In Mass

In Mass we pay an excise tax on our vehicles and it goes to the city or town where the vehicle is registered. I know a guy with over 20 TT units and after the city gave him grief he moved to the next city. There was a substantial loss of revenue. It was over a stupid remark by the mayer.

Leo

Steamhead (in transit)

I've said it before

and I'll say it again: Vote the bums out!

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Brad White_96

Voting with Your Feet

If only Economics 101 was still offered...

Economics goes to long term while politicians go short-term (the next election) yet are allowed to make economic decisions with less common sense than most trained primates.

Our Mayor Menino once wanted to impose a 1% City Payroll Tax (to attract business? Rethink THAT one!). My boss at the time and several others called up to tell Hizzoner that a phone call or two would have them in Watertown the following week... Fidelity Investments is heading south to RI and other parts because the Golden Goose is being sliced to death. And it is not like they do not know the consequences.

Remember 1992? With the stroke of a pen the Washington DC crowd took the short easy route to "soak the rich". They passed a "Luxury Tax" on big ticket items. 20 percent or something egregious. Not rocket science what happened next. An entire swath of the economy, custom boat/yacht builders, closed almost overnight. Orders cancelled or deposits forfeited when less than the tax if the vessel were completed. Friends of mine in the finance industry lost their jobs brokering these deals. (Hey, Waiter!)
Bahama boatbuilding boomed. All went off-shore.

The tax was quietly rescinded but the damage was done the first week.

RI for one state (7% sales tax, I feel blessed in 5% MA!) has NO tax on boats and gear purchased with a boat in RI. They know where the bread is buttered. But then, they suffered more per capita than any other state. 14 years later they have yet to fully recover.

To quote the late Dorothy Parker:

"You can lead a horticulture, but you cannot make her think".

Mike T., Swampeast MO

Can't say I know the exact area, but I have been in NYC twice and it's about the last place I'd want to drive--much less park!!!

Sounds to me like the meters are there to help ensure that the vendors get nice, close spots to load/unload. Why do I bet if I tried to park as a non-vendor that I'd be shooed away?

Dave Yates (PAH)

well

It's York, PA and once the vendors are finished unloading in the AM (bear in mind they're starting before 6 AM in many cases), they move their vehicles so that customers can park close to the doors.

Farming was, at one time, the major industry in this country. As urban areas developed, people began businesses and left farming because of farmers' markets. That trend has marched on and better farming methods allowed fewer farmers to support greater numbers of folks.

Today, the traditional farm-to-market vendor is typically a small (in size of acerage) family farmer whose children aren't likely willing to accept the hardships and long hours required & as a result, it's the huge industrial farming operations that are taking over.

As smaller family-owned farms disappear - for many reasons - not the least of which is urban sprawl, our tradional vendor base has continued shrinking. Like many farmers' markets across the US, this shrinking base of traditional farm-to-market vendors who being farm-fresh products to consumers, is at a crisis level. We need to promote them and assist them, not dunn them with stupid fees and fines.

For the City of York, it's these traditional vendors who create a unique shopping experience for our customers and it is those remaining few who draw several thousand shoppers to our center-city each week. Once they're gone, there won't be any reason for folks to bother coming downtown who don't work or live in the city & that would represent the majority of our customers.

I also head up a committee whose task, for several years now, has been to try getting the city officials - especially codes - to work together in an effort to make the process of opening a downtown business a user-friendly process, rather than the obnoxious gauntlet it's been. We've lost numerous businesses to neighboring cities due to the rude and obnoxious behavior and the layers of code folks must work through - without so much as a clue given to aid that path. The codes officials seem to get some perverse pleasure out of frustrating potential business owners who are interested in being in the city. There's no oversight to reign them in, so many simply give up and move on.

Our business has been in a historic section called Doctors' Row for 106 years. We were there before the doctors arrived and they've all retired and/or moved on. As much as we like being in the city and our area, I've been seriously considering moving beyond the city's boundaries and have looked at a few properties. I'll continue serving on the Central Market board as long as we can remain a farmers' market. The day the farm-to-market vendors pull out is the same day I'll resign.

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