new venting code in MASS

GW

Ok Ok, so it's not new; it's old.

I'm sorry if I started the oil community on this post. It was not my intention.

I made a mistake on the wiring. The local plumbing inspector told me that there would be hard wiring required for CO detectors up to the living areas where bed rooms are. I should have read it more carerfully.

GW

new EMERGENCY venting code in MASS

How thrilled are all of you about the new code? My electrician says it's against their code; sounds like this is going to be something that only the government come dream up. It's effective July 29th (yes, that is in the past). It's interesting that there is no attention given to dilapidated existing conditions or horrendous combustion conditions due to negative combustion zone pressures because of stack effect in tall houses or roaring fireplaces sucking all the air out of a house, and the like. It's also intersting that there is no consideration for the thousands of homes that have side-wall vented appliances less than 4' off the ground (95% or so?), apparently no need to inform those people I guess. Has there been a topic on this yet? If so, please point me towards it.

ed wallace

new venting code

what is the new code i havent heard anything yet

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David Sutton_6

Go to oil tech talk

there is a post there thats got to do with the new codes...David

Firedragon_4

Just what are you

referring to:

This is all that is on the Plumbing Board site:

gas

Not new, btw, it is a few weeks old now. This pertains only to NFPA54 (gas), not oil 527CMR4.00 and NFPA211. Where are in fact the references to the Electrical Code?

Let's try to establish the facts, enough rumors and urban legends out there to fill a dump truck on this issue already. Here's the oil side, BTW, reference CMR4.00 page 52.13 and 52.14

oil

Stay cool, the summers not over yet! Keep in mind that this is also a knee-jerk reaction by politicos and that codes are written on paper, not chiseled in concrete.

Even though changes are coming, it's not official until it's published by the Secretary of State's Office.

GW

link

http://www.mass.gov/dpl/boards/pl/cmr_prop/amend248cmr5_08.pdf

Firedragon_4

Please note that

this is a proposal.

BTW, the tag is probably the best part of the whole thing since from everything I've heard the vent was plugged during snow removal from the driveway.

Ya can't fix stupid, but some trial lawyer will make money from it, FACT!

dconnors

Mass. code and CO detectors.

July 27th Division of Professional Licensure has made this official

Joe@buderus_2

CO Detector

A source for a CO detector that has a boiler interupt circuit is "UltraGuard" located in Greenwich, CT. The phone number (203)302-3500. Thanks,

Unknown

The Ultra Guard will not

shut of the water heater. I understand the incident in the Cape was a side wall vented water heater.There was alos a depressurization situation in the house caused by a fireplace or some other high volume venting device.

Unknown

Tim

Based on the information sent to me last week from our managers who attended one of the meetings with the Gas Networks people, the boiler interrupt is not being required on the CO detector installed in the utility area, but it must be of the 120v type with battery backup.

I was also told that some of the inspectors may in fact begin enforcing the accumulable snow issue by requiring the vent discharge to be 12" above the snow accumulation level for Mass. which I was told is about 28" plus the 12" or 40" above grade.

Glenn Stanton

Manager of Training

Burnham Hydronics

U.S. Boiler Co., Inc.

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Gary

I was also told that the CO dectectors had to be of the 120v variety by our own people that attended the ruling meeting last week with the gas utility people.The one in the utility room must be 120v with battery backup.

Glenn Stanton

Manager of Training

Burnham Hydronics

U.S. Boiler Co., Inc.

GasNetworks

gas code

Hi Glenn. There is indeed some confusion about this emergency ammendment in MA that took effect July 29. We have 2 sessions scheduled during our conference on September 8 to get some clarification. Brad Wong is holding 2 sessions titled "New Gas Code Rules/Venting and More". We all hope to clear up this confusion then! Brad is among a very qualified group of trainers we have for the day including Dan H, Rich Trethewey and Tim McElwain and more.
Mike

The agenda is at www.gasnetworks.com

GW

will the session be recorded?

I love it when each town call name their own rules. Will there be any clarification on snow levels being enforced?

Marty

I have asked 3 different inspectors and gotten 3 different answers. It's beyond me why they dont just require one everywhere just like smoke detectors. yes even in a 100% electric home.

ScottMP

Glenn

The code can not be interpreted individually by each inspector. If so than we have NO code.

This needs to be addressed and quickly, before the heating season.

Scott



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jackchips_2

True, Scott

but when has the code not been interpreted by individual inspectors the way they see it here in Mass?

The sytem of appealing to Boston for a ruling has been cumbersome, time consuming and in the past not very supportive of the plumber who requested a ruling.

That is changing with the current system of inspectors having to take refresher classes to keep their status and with the work of Mr. Peluso and his competent staff interpreting the code properly to the benefit of all concerned.

Let's hope this progress continues.

Jack