LOCK OUT ON BECKET BURNER

Ragu

I've been in this trade a long time, and BY FAR the scariest episodes have been when I have been called in AFTER a homeowner has tried to reset a burner that had been locked out. Bad memories.

Marc B

LOCK OUT ON BECKET BURNER

I have a WM SGO-3 gold boiler. I just ran out of oil and received a fill. When I press the reset from the lock out position,it does nothing. I am having a problem with my burner being stuck on lock out. Everything seems to check out- Water in system low water cut off reset ***
**I did press this once and it tripped out and went to lock out. I thought there would be enough oil in the line without bleeding the line. I need to reset and bleed the line to get going. Any info on resetting or getting out of lock out would be great.

ezheat

burner lock out

you should call tech support for the control that you have or look at the control it will tell you in small print how to take it out of lock out.

Marc B

LOCK OUT

I followed the control instructions, but it still does not reset? I was thinking it might be a timed dealy safety or a certain step procedure that needs to be done.

ed wallace

lock out

call your oil co. to bled the line you should not be messing with the burner

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Billy_4

There is a procedure to get it out of lockout. The lockout is there because you pressed the reset button three times and the unit did not fire. Call a professional to reset it and make sure there is no oil in the chamber that can cause a dangerous situation on start-up.

Marc B

I was the one who installed the unit. I have bleed the system in the past, but have never had the problem with the lock out?

Marc B

I have checked the chamber- no oil present. It only cycled once then shut down because I was out of oil. I now need to reset so that I cn bleed the system correctly.

Marc B

That would explain why it is stuck in lock out mode. What are the steps to get out of lock out ?

Marc B

lock out procedure

what is the process to get the burner out of lock out after button has been pressed three time?

Larry_10

Lockout.

The reason there is a lockout is for your own safety. You will need to call an oil tech to release the safety. Wouldn't you want to do that anyway if you installed it yourself? It would be a good time to check burner settings, like pump pressure, air band settings, smoke, CO2, etc... I doubt you have the instuments to have done those things properly.

It's not about protecting the business, it's about protecting the homeowners!

BillW@honeywell

The control is doing it's job.

Get a qualified burner service person in to purge the lines, and make sure nothing else is wrong. This a primary safety control, and not intended for homeowners to operate. While the service person is there, have them check your burner for combustion efficiency, proper venting and co.

Marc B

I just had the system checked and serviced on March 28th and on March 31st. The first time everything checked out ok-but the tech set the air to low- system clogged and had to be re serviced. I am sure the system is set. I will confirm all settings after re-start.

techheat_2

If you don't know this i also assume you don't possess a combustion test kit either. Do your family a favor and get someone who does and knows how to use it

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ed wallace

lockout

so you are not a burner tech yet did the install? guess a permit wasnt pulled either again call a tech dont fool around

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Michal

not to cause more s%&*t

what qualifies a person as a tech? or a professional? in the past few weeks there have been posts on here covering these topics. I just feel that this site is "PUBLIC" and a resource to homeowners, engineers, techs and dealers, etc. We all do things around the house, change windows, change sinks, put in a new ceiling fan, etc. AND dont any of you dare say you do not do things like that in your own homes, I know it and you know it, YOU DO. I agree, there needs to be training, and stuff. Lets not jump to conclusions, I understand your standpoint and thinking, I really do, but lets not jump on peoples backs so quick. They come for help and you smack around, come on guys, if you do that your not a professional. if the person burns his or her house, let them worry, they lose a finger their loss not yours. I am not here to cause trouble, just starting to get a litle tired of seeing these types of responses. This is a site for all. if it were for professionals only it would be set up so and you all would have login passwords and be on a privilaged basis only. Guys you are no better then your counterpart, were all here to get the job done correctly and safely, keeping information from someone is deadly, giving it to him, thats safety. LET the ego's go and be professional

Unknown

The INTENTION of the lockout

is to prevent untrained persons from resetting it.

The industry complained about excessive resetting, and control manufacturers stepped up to the plate.

Nobody is saying he can't be trained, Mike. They are saying he hasn't YET been trained.

Big difference.

The only reason for his burner still being locked out, is that he is untrained. This isn't an insult, nor is anyone telling him anything that isn't in the instruction sheet provided with his burner.

It is ALSO to protect techs from EVERYBODY ELSE that is untrained and reading this site.

Noel

Robert O'Connor_7

Lockout?

The lockout feature is there for a reason. If YOU did the installation then you should know how it gets unlocked. This info is NOT a trade secret and IS located within the manufacturers installation instruction for ALL to read. My thoughts are as we cannot protect people from themselves but do have an obligation to protect the unknowing people from these exact situations. If a permit was pulled you would have been required to keep the install instructions WITH the equipment in order to satisfy the inspection requirements. This is not rocket science but IS a piece of equipment that should be respected and could potentially cause serious personal injury, property damage and or death. I'm trying not to be too hard on you but you must realize your own limitations, bite the bullet and call a qualified tech.

Robert O'Connor/NJ

Marc B

ok easy guys

I did not mean to ruffle any feathers here. All I needed was the process that needs to be followed. I do have the manuals and did not see anything on the lock out section other than "press the button" I need detail info on the lock out issue. As far as all the other slams, I think you are all out of line based on the information that was posted. If someone put half the effort into answering the question that they put into why I should not have this info...I would be done by now.

Michal

no you are assuming he hasnt

I went to a trade and tech high school took hvac, I attend training seminars and Its my boiler doing this, am I trained??? or qualified to fix it???

ed wallace

lockout

sorry marc i cannot help you i have more then once left skid marks in my underwear because customers repeatedly pressing the reset buttons once had a 3 ft flame shoot out the view door at me another time had the smoke pipe blow apart on a sunday nite good luck dont kill your family but feel free to kill yourself

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Marc B

Thank you

Robert O'Connor_7

Michal

If you installed this unit and have such a vast knowlege and qualifications then you would know IN FACT how to do it. Just because you know how its installed doesn't mean you know how to service it. Please let a qualified tech look at it, this is NOT a keep it in the trades thing.

Robert O'Connor/NJ

Michal

I AGREE

I AGREE, JUST ALL OF A SUDDEN PEOPLE JUMP ON EACH OTHERS BACKS AND ASSUME THINGS

ezheat

lock out what type of control is it

give me the name of the control that it is on and i will find you the info you need or direct you in the right direction. But if you ran out of oil and it is the fault of your oil dealer then they would surely come and get it running for you or will give you the way to take it out of lock out mode as for qualification we all must protect our selves and that is why these guys are not answering your questions so give me the name of the control and i will see what i can do

Marc B

I purchaed a complete Weil M. SGO-3 Gold boiler and burner. I chose the Beckett model for the burner. The relay has a 15 second delay on it. I do not have the exact make and model available at this time. I bought everything in one package. (Complete).

ezheat

lock out

If you have a beckett chances are that you have a honeywell control call them they will help you with the lockout problem

Michal

I didnt do it

Rob I did not install this unit, just commenting like you

Nick_13

I completely agree w/ these guys. I just recently had one of the guys I work with nearly blow himself up and burn down a store. The Boiler was plugged, and the trans. was bad. Customer "only hit reset once" Well, the tech cleaned the unit, took the customers word, and when he lit it the draft was so good, after the ignition blew the smoke pipe 13' across the room, the chimney was sucking flames 3 ' out of the back of the weil Mcjunk and into the chimney base.
I agree that there are steps that were overlooked that could have saved these circumstances, but weren't.
I honestly respect anyone whom tries to repair their own equipment, however if you don't have a 2 line system, you may burn out your pump. If the nozzle has gotten partly plugged due to the run out, you could be spraying a minor ammount of fuel. Just b/c it isn't pooled or pink oesn't mean it isn;t soaking in. Again, honestly, much respect, you have gone as far as you can. Just make the call.

tommyoil

Way out of line Michal

The info that these guys are giving is called the REAL WORLD. Too many times there have been these types of calls with catastophic results. How dare you say that we should not worry about what happens to one of our customers or anyone who visits this sight for information. If someone came to your house or gave you faulty info and you did something like lose a finger or burned your house to the ground with your wife and kids in it, you'd be the first one at the lawyers office crying liability. Putting in and maintaining a device which could easily cause a fire or spew CO into someones living area should NOT be taken lightly. Nor is it as simple as you make it out to be so please dont compare it to hanging a window on a Saturday afternoon. The ONLY unprofessional comments I have read so far have been yours. To say that if some harm comes to anyone attempting to do something that they arent trained or qualified to do and there is injury or death we should just look at it as tough luck, is borderline bizarre. Now THAT is unprofessional. Marc B needs a service tech, not bad advice. If you are tired of responses that are usually full of solid advice you should start your own websight. Maybe you could call it BadAdvice.com or Idontcareifyouburndownyourhouse.com. or how about Idontcareifyoulosealimb.com Not to cause any more s%&*t but this is one mans opinion. Engineer indeed. Sorry if I offended any of the respected voices here. It was NOT my intention. And again, Marc B needs a service tech to fine tune the burner and correct his re set issue.

Bill Nye_2

Ran out?

Run outs are a bad practice and should be avoided. The filter at the tank may be plugged. Any sludge at the bottom of the tank can get stirred up with the delivery. If you refill at just below a 1/4 tank the chance of this is less likely.

You may need to replace the filter, bleed the line, and read the directions to reset your control. It is certainly not rocket science but most people ignore the potential danger involved when dealing with combustion.

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clammy

tommy 's right

That's saying what needed to be said .Just call your service co that's the only smart thing to do other wise all related promblems will be of your own doing and if you did install it or was a service tech you would know how to take it out of lockout in a nyc second .Great to see you post tom hope all is good peace clammy

Firedragon_4

Why does this posting continue????

The OEM's rep, BillW@honeywell, has told the man what to do, end-of-story.

www.firedragonent.com

eleft_4

Bruce M.

Contact Beckett

Information that you need can be found by contacting R.W. Beckett at 1-800-645-2876. Have the information from the Beckett data plate.

tommyoil

Great point Al

> Honest people don't appreciate innuendos, it also

> dilutes your point and professional image.

>

> al

tommyoil

Great point Al

As usual

Al Gregory

I useed to look at a do it yourself webaiste and when someone asked for instructions on how to prime their pump I told them it could be dangerous just spend the 50 bucks or whatever it would cost. I was totally put down to the point I wont go back. There are people in the trade there telling homeowners how to repair gas and oil furnaces. I couldn't believe that anyone would try to explain to a homeowner how to change their own oil pump and nozzle. They explain how to adjust electrodes and everything. It must make them feel good or something but when something goes wrong watch out

JReeves

Lockout

I have a Beckett Honeywell R1784A that had a fuel leak, so I cleaned out the the filter and tip but it is blinking1/2 seconds and remains on Lockout even after I puch the reset button. I need to know what I could do to get my heater running?

STEVEusaPA

You raise more questions....

1....Where was the fuel leak?

2. Why did you clean out the filter and HOW did you clean out the nozzle, if it was, in fact, just an oil leak?

3.  You really havent totally diagnosed the problem.  Why did the control lock out in the first place?  Was it just the fuel leak, losing it's prime, or is something else happening too.

4.  Also, did you look down the gun, or look into the chamber to see how much unburnt oil is in there waiting to light off?  I wouldnt fire it up without knowing.

Finally, and I know you're not going to like this, but you really need to call a pro in there before you burn down your house, or at the very least, make a nice smoky mess.  You're literally playing with fire, and based on your post, I'm sure you can agree your knowledge is dangerously limited.

Steamhead

CALL A PRO!

The control locks out that way for a reason. If you try to get around this, the consequences could be pretty bad. Try the Find a Contractor page of this site.