Charity Work = Scecond Rate Work

David Sutton_6

imn mass there are section 8 homes funded by the state and a (few) Contractors do the installs and service, i worked for one of these in the mid 80's he would rape them in price and cut and chop the boiler, his buddy was a plumber who did the same thing. Its pride in one self that makes the job out standing,

But like in all things there are good and bad and the cheep price is king!

I have done some jobs for cost for people who i know were flat broke and needed help, the job turned out the same as the guy down the street with the two new cars!

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Darin Cook_2

Just Curious

If you are donating your "expertise" to a "good cause" does it allow you to practice unscientifically designed work? You know, if the people can not afford to pay upfront to have a professionally designed and installed system, do you have the right to do, you know whatever? Inquiring minds want to know!

Darin

DanHolohan

What

are you talking about?

S Ebels

Depends

(Not the undergarments that Hunt wears)

Depends on the situation.

When I'm doing pure charity work IE: getting something going that a destitute homeowner can't afford to fix right, I'll take some liberty's that don't compromise safety. When I'm donating my time to a charitable organization or group I do it like it should be done. No compromise unless the situation is desperate.

[Deleted User]

IMHO...

No. If I'm helping do a habitat for humanity home, I apply the same strict standards that I would use for a 10,000 sq ft mansion. That said, I have seen my competitions, er make that alleged competitons work on a HFH home, and I was emberrassed to say I knew the person who had done it...

Why do you ask? Folowing up on someone elses donation?

ME

Darin Cook_2

Not trying to make trouble

I came across a job today. The job was done for a needy family. The boiler was of a good design and brand. The engineering apparently ended at the factory. The oil boiler had the return piped infront of the swing out door. Yearly servicing obviously had some trouble in store for it. The circulator was on the return. It was pumping at the PONPC that was on the supply outlet of the boiler. The air scoop was on the supply immediately after the flow check. That goes against the laws of physics affecting hydronics that I know and the same ones that Dan wrote a book about (Pumping Away). In the end it will suffice to say, I was disappointed. If you are going to extend your time and energy to "help", I feel it should encompass the same attention to detail that a paying customer should get. Would it be too pretentious for the people who received the donated services to demand it was done right?

Darin

Plumb Bob

What makes you think the job would have been done better if the HO had paid premium prices to this installer? It took him almost as much labor to do it badly as it would have to do it well, although I admit it probably took less "attention to detail".

ScottMP

I agree

I would bet the installer was big on heart and small on expertise. You probable saw his "best" work. I would'nt be suprised if he was Quite Proud of himself.

Scott

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B. Tice

yes

I concur. The guy I'm sure would have done it the same, no matter what the job is.

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DanHolohan

I agree.

If you're going to do it, do it right.

Mark Hunt

Actually


I prefer Serenity.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!

Good one Steve!

Mark H

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John R. Hall

Hard to believe

I find it hard to believe that anyone would put their reputation on the line by doing less than their best work on any job. One bad install can do a lot of damage.

Eugene Silberstein 3

Who's Best is Best?

As I tell my students each and every day.... The day you decide to do anything less than your own personal best is the day you should stay in bed.

jackchips_2

Good

philosophy Eugene and what that installer did, as others have said, may have been his best.

Jack

GaryDidier

substandard installs

In my county in NY there is a program where people who fall on hard times can get free or reduced price heat systems installed by one of the county agencys. They are some of the worst installs I typically see. Slam dunk installs with little attention to detail, codes or ease of future service work. I have had words with the people who run the agency. The attitude is it is free so what do you want?

Gary from Granville

Plumdog_2

Self-Promotional Opportunity

I have seen recently an infomercial style newspaper "article" in which a builder touts the extreme energy efficiency of his Habitat for Humanity homes; citing R-19 walls and R-38 cielings. The water heater used for heating and domestic water is 99% thermal efficient resulting in an "average anual energy cost of less than 80 dollars". The article then gives the Website of the Co. doing the Radiant work.

S Ebels

I owed you one

For the pic of me in the Speedo outfit. HAR!!

Mark Hunt

Yes you did!


I forgot about that Speedo pic!

Obviously, you didn't!!

It's all good!

Mark H

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S Ebels

I'll never forget it

My own personal Kathy Jean still wants to know where you got that picture..........and why I look so different now.

Boilerpro_5

Recently has some experience on that

I was called by a contrator working with the local "WEatheriztion" Program and he wanted a price on a steam boiler replacement. I gave him an estimated range, and he said the state of Illinois sets a standard of 3500 to replace a steamer. I talked to the local state rep and told him how much I charge for a steamer replacement and he turned around and said I must not be very busy. I simply told him the truth....that I am typically 6 to 8 weeks behind during the busy season. He told me to call to U of Ilinois in Champaign, because they are the ones that set the standards. Funny thing, I told him, I have been in touch with a person in Champaign getting bids on a steam boiler replacement and they certainly were not 3500. He didn't say much after that. I should of told the guy to call one of the wholesalers a couple blocks away from his office to see how much a steam boiler costs and then add in a bunch for piping. I guess labor is supposed to be for free.

Boilerpro

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Bill_68

Just a Thought

Darin,

Why don't you offer to clean the job up and do them a real favor? I'll bet you would have some extra time between now and fall to do this generous deed without ruffling feathers.

Bill

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Larry Savino

Its good to see the folks who are giving back to there communities by donating services to the needy.

We get involved with this during the winter often, We only do an installation as if it was for a paying customer.

normally we get involved by a school teacher or a neighbor or a church asking us to help out. We dont advertise we do this people just contact us and i agree to help out.

The hardest part for me in to not judge the people I am helping, Big screen TV. $200.00 dollar sneakers,
Not to much me and my partner disagree on but he is not too keen on this type of charity work.