Climate Panel Install

bob_55

We are doing a 3500 sf climate panel install on two floors under 3/4" oak flooring and tile in several locations. I was planning to run it everywhere but near the toilet seals...even into the closets. Any suggestions either way.

Thanks for reading. Bob

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Generally speaking...

Make sure you have a good plan of attack prior to attacking.

As for closets, unless there will be a human walking in the space, or the space is directly adjoined to an outside wall, I wouldn't suggest you waste time and tube in there. Even if it is a cold wall, typically a single pass through provides more than enough heat to keep the over coats and over shoes happy:-) The gloves may complain, but they're known as whiners any way..."I'm too cold, I'm too hot, I'm not comfortable...:-)"

I've actually had customers come back to me after the fact and want to know if there was some way to cool down the closets. Seems their rubber booties have a tendency to get so soft it feels like the material will tear when stretched to be put on.

Absotiveley NO heat in pantry, regardless of outside walls or not. If it gets cold enought to freeze canned goods, they can open the door to the adjoining space and keep it above freezing.

For the same reason, avoid placing excessive tube under counter/cabinets. IF unavoidable, make sure someone places insulation below the toe space's of the cabinets to avoid setting up a situation whereby potatoes and onions can flourish, thrive and attempt to set root and reproduce...

Don't forget to follow the manufacturers recommendations as it pertains to required pump and maximum recommended circuit length, and make sure SOMEONE has provided insulation on the cavities below the floor. Even though you're using a neat product, the laws of thermal dynamics are still intact.

ME

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I would still

run near the toilet and use a no wax seal. You'd be surprised where owner notice a lack of radiant.

Folks have a lot of time to sit in think in the bathroom, often times

Closets depend.. I did underheat a walk in closet once. I did The one loop only on a Warmboard install. Granted it had two outside walls, but I should have been more aware.

The owners had to install one of those electric oil filled heaters in there and have never let me forget it In a nice way.

It is much easier to reduce floor output (a throw rug for example) than to try and add more after the fact. Most large closets get the floor covered with shoes, boxes and stuff anyways, limiting any floor output.

Do a load calc when in doubt.

hot rod

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Ray Landry

I'm with Hot Rod on this one, the more tubing the merrier! We just did a project of similar size as a retro fit. one tile temp, one hardwood temp, four rfh zones and we brought the tubing right up to the w/c's and into the closets. Neoprene closet seals will be used and the closets where almost all on outside walls, even if they do overheat, a throw rug can always be used. Climate panel is really a great product, very user friendly! We had our 3000sf project done in about five days pulled and tested. This was a retrofit, snaking the home runs across finished ceilings, using remote manifolds, ect. So far the carpenters have only punctured the tubing once... They where cutting sheetrock on top of the climate paneling and cut right through the tube.... BRILLIANT!

Local Guy

1. Use screws not staples, and listen to viega, 12 per panel.

2. Make sure you use the tubing protectors at all penetration points.

3. Use the the metallic silicone and make sure the grooves are clean before you intall tubing.

4. Inuslate properly.

5. Pressurize (with water if possible) to manage leaks

6. Constant circulation works great, as Viega likes to push.

7. Be careful with rooms that do not have heat loss(interior baths)

8 . Max length is 250 with 5/16 tubing

9. Need to use compression fittings, that is all they offer with the 5/16. Limits manifolds since many others do not offer 5/16 compression.

10. Use balancing valves on return manifolds(counter intuitive but it works beest)

11. I like to keep manifolds in basement and drop leaders there, rather than finding places throughout house.

12. Make sure you have someone that understands radiant AND has done more than one design your controls and boiler. Or you will spend a lot and have more grief than you realize. I have seen certain people really struggle with some of the high tech solutions. I like the KISS method, a WM CGI series is not the most effcient but they work really well.

14. Put a mixing valve on the HW tank and you'll have unlimited HW as well.

15. Put piping in the garage and basement floor while you are at it, 5/16 is not adequate for those areas.

There is more but you'll figure it out.