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I assume you can not use a soot vac for the wet stuff or can you? What do you just take pump (bug spray) tank fill with green soap and water, and then spray it down? Got that now what do you clean up the sooty water with, newspaper or a regular wet vac, I thought soot was bad for wet vac.Do tell inquiring minds want to know. Thanks you guys are the best. I love some good oil talk, does anyone write a oil burner clean and service book?
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what does everyone think about heating a boiler up and washing down the flue passages? it is common practice at my company and seems to do a great job. we dont use alot of water just a fine spray, it takes it right down to the bare cast. are there any drawbacks from doing this?0 -
I do it
all the time. (Using caution not to overload it) It takes a little practice so as not to saturate the chamber,rope seals ect. I learned the procedure many moons ago at weil mclain school. A bug sprayer loaded with water is always on my truck(except in the winter freeze). I wire brush the sections simultaneously and it makes a good job a great job. I cant stress enough to take caution not to soak it. 20 years now and all is well.0 -
use any chemicals?
use any chemicals in that spray?
along the same lines - how effective are those "soot sticks"?
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I dont
I have never used a chemical..just good old water. I was taught this by an old timer in the buisness and it works great. As to soot stick's I have used maybe 10 sticks in 8 years. I have only used them after punching out a plugged boiler at 2 a.m. and only so I can get them through the night...0 -
Soot sticks
They make the fire burn hotter and can burn out the wet pack or kaolin (Cerafelt) chambers. Use them only in hard brick or stainless steel chambers. Not too many of those left.0 -
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H2O ONLY !!! I dont use soot sticks.0 -
No big deal BUT
Why anonymous? Just curious.0 -
Procedures for wet cleaning
They teach this technique at the H.E.A.T training? I have never tried it, sounds to good to be true, must be a lot better for the lungs.0 -
I did it
to a L.P. fired Buderus that had sooted up from a bad pilot. That was the factory approved method and it worked very well, thank you very much.
Scott
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NTI also
even makes a cleaning wand that uses water for the cleaning of the heat exchanger on the Trinity, FACT!
I was first taught this in 1967 while in the USAF, been doing it ever since as long as my boss aprroved and even when they didn't.
Can't be done on a plugged boiler until after vacuuming, but will go down to the bare metal and have done it on both steel and cast.
The real trick, unless it's stainless, is very little water and a heat exchanger that is hot, hot, hot! Steam it baby, steam it! And yes, I've done it to furnaces, but never a water heater.
Have taught this in classes since 1975 and put it in my Combustion book in 1995.
You're right on Weil's HEAT Program and this should be taught as an 'industry standard', FACT!
The only one's I've found opposed to it are those (idiots) who did it on a boiler sitting on a white shag rug and those that have never tried it.
BTW, have you ever noticed that when someone doesn't know anything about something it becomes a POS? Interesting!0 -
Actually
I soaked mine with Simple Green before washing, it helped and smelled like a summers eve.
Oh wait thats the other stuff.
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Cleaning
I found that cleaning the inside of the boiler went a LONG way with the older "door" type boilers (2 door American Standard, most notably). A lot of my older customers would inspect the work after I had left, and that bare metal said a lot. In many cases they only wanted me to work on their equipment after that, and for me that wasn't always a good thing (some cranky fussbudgets).
Another thing that an old timer taught me was to clean down the exterior of the boiler with Fantastic or similar. When the HO would look at the boiler it LOOKED clean, and that carried some weight as well. Even if your work was the same good quality as the work done last time, yours LOOKED better.
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could I have fun with that last line, but our host would freak out!0 -
Another trick is to spray the
jacket and piping with PAM. It shines like crazy and when it warms up it smells like popcorn cooking. Hides a lot of other odors.
Tip o'the hat to **** Wolf of Baker-Whitney Oil for teaching me that one.0 -
After all
don't Chefs de-glaze skillets and frying pans with water and high temps?0 -
I've seen them used on wet base boilers.
Where the liner was removed. Seems OK, but I really prefer the garden sprayer.
I had a couple real bad ones a while back in a commercial room. Pulled the doors and the wetpacks, and hit them with hot water from a garden hose with the boilers at 200.
Cleaned them right up. Then we cleaned the floor drains...
Didn't see an alternative at the time. It was a nasty wet soot that would've clogged up a sootvac in a hurry.
Neglect often leads to desperation...:00 -
Hmmm. I like it. Off to the grocery store for boiler suppliues...;)0 -
wet clean
I brush and vacuum out my Buderus G115, then using a spray bottle, with plain water, spray all around inside the boiler. The sulfer just comes right off like nothing. A rag in the bottom of the chamber to absorb the water. Use a final rag to wipe down and out any water and done. I have heard of using Fantastik to help remove soot but have not tried it. Cast iron looks brand new in my 9 year old boiler!0 -
I took a
aluminum roasting pan from the hardware store and kept a wet vac. in it. Sucked all the water up while we were washing.
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What size pan?
Do you have different size pans for different size boilers, like a 9x13 will make 10 brownies or clean a Weil McLain 4 section boiler ?
Just kidding, you know it makes perfect sense, next time I'm at BJ's I'm going to pick up a bunch of those cheap roasting pans and some Pam cooking spray.I thought I saw some cheap pans at the Christmas tree shop up near Rockland. They just had a report that teflon coating has a cancer causing ingrediant, so maybe all those cheap teflon pans will go on sale. I 'll check it out.Good idea Scott.Thanks.0 -
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> went a LONG way with the older "door" type
> boilers (2 door American Standard, most notably).
> A lot of my older customers would inspect the
> work after I had left, and that bare metal said a
> lot. In many cases they only wanted me to work on
> their equipment after that, and for me that
> wasn't always a good thing (some cranky
> fussbudgets). Another thing that an old timer
> taught me was to clean down the exterior of the
> boiler with Fantastic or similar. When the HO
> would look at the boiler it LOOKED clean, and
> that carried some weight as well. Even if your
> work was the same good quality as the work done
> last time, yours LOOKED better.
>
> GW
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> went a LONG way with the older "door" type
> boilers (2 door American Standard, most notably).
> A lot of my older customers would inspect the
> work after I had left, and that bare metal said a
> lot. In many cases they only wanted me to work on
> their equipment after that, and for me that
> wasn't always a good thing (some cranky
> fussbudgets). Another thing that an old timer
> taught me was to clean down the exterior of the
> boiler with Fantastic or similar. When the HO
> would look at the boiler it LOOKED clean, and
> that carried some weight as well. Even if your
> work was the same good quality as the work done
> last time, yours LOOKED better.
>
> GW
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> went a LONG way with the older "door" type
> boilers (2 door American Standard, most notably).
> A lot of my older customers would inspect the
> work after I had left, and that bare metal said a
> lot. In many cases they only wanted me to work on
> their equipment after that, and for me that
> wasn't always a good thing (some cranky
> fussbudgets). Another thing that an old timer
> taught me was to clean down the exterior of the
> boiler with Fantastic or similar. When the HO
> would look at the boiler it LOOKED clean, and
> that carried some weight as well. Even if your
> work was the same good quality as the work done
> last time, yours LOOKED better.
>
> GW
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> went a LONG way with the older "door" type
> boilers (2 door American Standard, most notably).
> A lot of my older customers would inspect the
> work after I had left, and that bare metal said a
> lot. In many cases they only wanted me to work on
> their equipment after that, and for me that
> wasn't always a good thing (some cranky
> fussbudgets). Another thing that an old timer
> taught me was to clean down the exterior of the
> boiler with Fantastic or similar. When the HO
> would look at the boiler it LOOKED clean, and
> that carried some weight as well. Even if your
> work was the same good quality as the work done
> last time, yours LOOKED better.
>
> GW
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> went a LONG way with the older "door" type
> boilers (2 door American Standard, most notably).
> A lot of my older customers would inspect the
> work after I had left, and that bare metal said a
> lot. In many cases they only wanted me to work on
> their equipment after that, and for me that
> wasn't always a good thing (some cranky
> fussbudgets). Another thing that an old timer
> taught me was to clean down the exterior of the
> boiler with Fantastic or similar. When the HO
> would look at the boiler it LOOKED clean, and
> that carried some weight as well. Even if your
> work was the same good quality as the work done
> last time, yours LOOKED better.
>
> GW
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> went a LONG way with the older "door" type
> boilers (2 door American Standard, most notably).
> A lot of my older customers would inspect the
> work after I had left, and that bare metal said a
> lot. In many cases they only wanted me to work on
> their equipment after that, and for me that
> wasn't always a good thing (some cranky
> fussbudgets). Another thing that an old timer
> taught me was to clean down the exterior of the
> boiler with Fantastic or similar. When the HO
> would look at the boiler it LOOKED clean, and
> that carried some weight as well. Even if your
> work was the same good quality as the work done
> last time, yours LOOKED better.
>
> GW
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> went a LONG way with the older "door" type
> boilers (2 door American Standard, most notably).
> A lot of my older customers would inspect the
> work after I had left, and that bare metal said a
> lot. In many cases they only wanted me to work on
> their equipment after that, and for me that
> wasn't always a good thing (some cranky
> fussbudgets). Another thing that an old timer
> taught me was to clean down the exterior of the
> boiler with Fantastic or similar. When the HO
> would look at the boiler it LOOKED clean, and
> that carried some weight as well. Even if your
> work was the same good quality as the work done
> last time, yours LOOKED better.
>
> GW
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> went a LONG way with the older "door" type
> boilers (2 door American Standard, most notably).
> A lot of my older customers would inspect the
> work after I had left, and that bare metal said a
> lot. In many cases they only wanted me to work on
> their equipment after that, and for me that
> wasn't always a good thing (some cranky
> fussbudgets). Another thing that an old timer
> taught me was to clean down the exterior of the
> boiler with Fantastic or similar. When the HO
> would look at the boiler it LOOKED clean, and
> that carried some weight as well. Even if your
> work was the same good quality as the work done
> last time, yours LOOKED better.
>
> GW
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> went a LONG way with the older "door" type
> boilers (2 door American Standard, most notably).
> A lot of my older customers would inspect the
> work after I had left, and that bare metal said a
> lot. In many cases they only wanted me to work on
> their equipment after that, and for me that
> wasn't always a good thing (some cranky
> fussbudgets). Another thing that an old timer
> taught me was to clean down the exterior of the
> boiler with Fantastic or similar. When the HO
> would look at the boiler it LOOKED clean, and
> that carried some weight as well. Even if your
> work was the same good quality as the work done
> last time, yours LOOKED better.
>
> GW
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