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Constantin

...As of 1997, lobster traps in ME (and presumably elsewhere) are required to have bidegradable escape hatches. After a couple of months, they no longer can kill lobsters indiscriminately. See <a href="http://www.maine.gov/dmr/bmp/biodegradablepanels.htm">the Maine government site</a> site for more info on this.

Some harbors I've been to must have enough traps down there to walk across the harbor without setting foot on muck once... Trouble is, few people up there who don't have an education can become anything but lobstermen (after making enough $$$ to buy a boat by clamming) and the number of traps has increased 100-fold in the last 30 years while the tonnage of lobster caught has stayed flat.

Coming back to Dan's post though, he raises very good issues with the way people are educated. There is nothing worse than educating them the "wrong" way, i.e. teaching them the wrong habits from the outset.

Larry (from OSHA)

Thanks Dan

The latest blog really makes good points. It was relevent then and certainly now. And you don't have to be in the trade for it to hit home.

Larry (from OSHA)

jerry scharf_3

good reading

I learned about lobster traps. I'm just trying to figure out who's picture they substituted for Dan's.

For the new business guy, I didn't like his style. But I don't see that as impacting the level of professionalism he may have shown. For all the others, they had a job and received money for doing it. In each case they failed to uphold that agreement, IMO. I was going to single out the engineer, but they were all wrong.

I know I'm preaching to the choir, but the mantra should be "I don't know everything and I'm always ready to learn." All the cases you described started with this failure, IMO. Each person you spoke of would have acted in a fundamentally different way with this.

jerry

J.C.A._3

To qoute Yogi Berra.....

It's like De'Javu all over again!

Scary thing is I remember reading this the first time around, and the effect it had on me as a youngster coming into the trade. Thanks to some sage advice, I started pumping the old timers for answers. They were, and the ones that survive, are MORE than willing to teach you about "the day". We, as pros can take lots from their venting skills, but only a handfull that I've spoken have had to work with the small vessels that new steam boilers have. Hot water piping is another matter.I learned the same way that my teachers and co-workers were taught....and pumping away wasn't the way. A couple of the old timers DID tell me about it and I had to fight the powers that were to let us try it.(We've always done it this way is such a LAME excuse!)

The thing that sticks in my craw the most about the manuals in that article is that they were prepared by the FUEL SUPPLIERS. Doesn't it only make sense that they would spread false information so that the consumer would use MORE fuel? I also have to hark back to those days that it would cost about 25.00$ to fill your oil tank.(Not quite the equivelant of today's prices, even in old dollars)

Lessons learned . Chris

Andrew Hagen (ALH)

And yet

people continue to sell Amtrols.

The problem goes far beyond trade schools. It's in magazines and advertising everywhere. Look Ma, No Plates!

I don't know how many articles I've read that simply do not make sense. Yet they are printed so they must be true.....right? Misinformation is everywhere, and it multiplies.

Question everything and everyone. If the answer is there, then you've learned something. If the answer is not there, then maybe both you and the person you asked learned something.

-Andrew

Weezbo

It is a good thing Larry mentioned the blog , i might have

missed a relavent and interesting bit of info...after reading, the next thing to do was call my buddy the younger GC and relate with him that way he will have a bit of answers in the future ,where it came from he may never know Hes a way smart young guy and he is constantly at keeping ahead of the bunch