Gas Grill

Gordy

Bought a new Jenn Air BBQ natural gas. It came with its own regulator. Being that the NG is regulated at the meter would the regulator be requied on the grill? I called the Tech support he said remove it, but there was that tinge of unsureness in his voice. My feeling is it should be removed. Thought I would consult with the pros. My old NG grill had no regulator.

Thanks Gordy

Jon_2

NG Gas Grill

Normally, you shouldn't need a regulator. But check the nameplate on the grill and insure it says NG and pressure to be 7" h2o. Mistakes are made by everyone.

jim lockard

just as a note

I was told by the local gas company that some gas fired pool heaters and generators are requiring 11" WC of gas at the appliance. Do not think thats true of BBQ's but just wanted to pass it along. J.Lockard

ezheat

> I was told by the local gas company that some gas

> fired pool heaters and generators are requiring

> 11" WC of gas at the appliance. Do not think

> thats true of BBQ's but just wanted to pass it

> along. J.Lockard



You should call your local gas company and have them take a look before doing anything. Most gas grills are only made for propane gas and may or may not work with natural gas with out some adjustments that needs to be done by a certified gas tech.

Dale

Leave it alone

The thing is correct and fine as it is. The High end grill manufacturers actually know what they're doing. You have a regulator to REGULATE gas pressure to make sure the flame height and heat input doesn't change when you are cooking. The gas orifices on your grill are sized (larger) to the lower regulated pressure. Old gas ranges, pre 1964 didn't have regulators either, now they do so if you are unlucky enough to be on some utilities inner city low pressure distribution system, that the flame height doesn't change with main pressure.

Gordy

Thanks

Thank you gentlemen for your thoughts. As some defining notes, this is a natural gas grill not propane, I did try it without the regulator because the tech indicated that he "thought" it should be removed. I hate the word "think" or "thought" in an answer that requires definite paramaters. That is why I seeked your help. My gas is regulated at the meter. The cast brass burners have adjusting screws to fine tune the burner. So without the regulator I have found that the output is higher without flame lifting or yellow tips. did not need to fine tune the burner adjustment either.

Interesting note on the generators, and pool heaters Jim.

Dale I do not understand the point of double regulating a NG appliance.

Dale

Double regulating

All gas appliances are now "double regulated" to ensure stable output pressure to the burner. For instance my utility has regulators set from 6" water Col. to 9" water col,( about 1/4 pound)some utilities maybe up to 14" water col., (some to 2 PSI or 56" water col.needing even another regulator) By putting in the appliance regulator set to approx 4" water column the manufacturer has a heat output that doesn't depend on utility pressure. Sure for a grill, like the pre 1964 stoves you can eyeball pressure but the regulator makes it more uniform and even if you turn it all the way up, limited to a safe input. Sooner or later grills will have sealed burners like new stoves and then the pressure is really critical. Also, in the very very likely event that the utility regulator gives an unsafe pressure the appliance regulator limits flow. But, for an "attended" appliance like a grill I guess it doesn't matter much. If your grill orifices haven't been changed I would guess you have too big a flame on max open since you now have 7 inches input instead of the 4 the grill was designed for and of course by altering the design the warranty and liability goes away. All this grill talk has me thinking of some Brats.

Gordy

Chicken

Chicken on rotissare goin now. Thanks for your detailed explanation Dale it makes sense to me now.

Gordy

mr ed

the brats went down in a most pleasing manner last night :)mr ed

Robert O'Connor_7

Tis D' Season to be Grillin'

Just finished final assembly of the new grill. I just bought a Broil King Sovereign 99 Nat Gas model (main burner @ 52,000btu)which is NOT re-regulated. Were on low pressure gas here in (this part of) Jersey, gas pressure appox. 1/4 pound (4-7" wc).

http://www.broilkingbbq.com/broilking/product.asp?PID=8



My thoughts about to use or not to use YOUR regulator that came with it would be to use it. Read the installation instructions, if it shows it being used, then you should use it. Heaven forbid if anything should happen you would be covering the bases. I'd rather have it and not need it, than needing it and not having it.

Grill On!


Robert O'Connor/NJ

Gordy

Nice grill

Looked at the Broil Kings nice grill.

It seemed when shopping I found different features I liked on each brand but, no particular brand had all the features I liked. The Jenn Air came the closest for me. Cast brass burners, heavy 304 stainless, Rotissare burner, vaporizer bars. The only thing it did not have was cast iron grates, sweet for seering. A smoker drawer would have been nice also. My stainless grates are quite heavy and do a nice job though.

Jenn Warranty had me alittle concerned, no card to fill out,and send in only an 800 # to call. I gave it a try though. My grill had a small ding in the door so I called the number. No problem new door will be there in 5 days.

Sweet_2

Gas is nice but

I prefer the hands on requirede by a smoker. There's just something about speding the day over a wood burning smoker and all the attention required to get the end product just right. My wife bought me a 750 sq/in smoker with external fire box and smoke stack for valentines day, that thing gets a work out darn near every weekend. It's a primodal thing. Very labor intensive.

Gordy

I don't denie smokers are best! As you say there is something about all that love you spend all day putting into the end product. We grill every other day, So convenience is key for me. Still wood or charcoal produces a better cut of carcass. Partial to hickory myself.

Sweet_2

Oh ya hickory

is my preference to, Mesqiute is a favorite also, Put a bed of charcoal down (unflavored) to keep the steady heat and add the wood for the smokey flavor,Man I'm gettin hungary. But your right for convenience gas is the ticket, Happy Grilling to you and yours.

Gordy

That did it!

Off to by a cast iron smoker box !

Sweet_2

I'm so influenced by those around me

My wife offered to broil the salmon and I was going to accept her offer, but NOW since talking to you I'm startin up the grill!!!

m dewolfe

grills

Speaking of generators...I have a 12.k kw propane set in my garage that needs a new home my wife says "It goes or you do" if any one is interested let me know I am in conneticut and would be happy to deliver it...mark

G. Gibbs

Be carefull...

You do not want this to happen...

Alan(CaliforniaRadiant)Forbes

Ever try

to barbecue salmon on a cedar shingle for flavor?

or

Marinade a steak in Coca Cola for a few hours just before you put it on the grill?



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Gordy

Salmon on a shingle

Yes, The thought of cedar as a flavorful wood for fish kinda turned my lip at the thought. But I will try any thing once. Its delicious!

Gordy

Yikes

I hope he did not burn supper! Stop drop, and roll he'll be alright. Now thats where the vaporizer bars help prevent flare ups. I think that was a sun flare though. I like the new Pella Window commercial, With the guy maydaying on the grill in the back yard. Whilst his wife shows the unique blinds off to the neighbor lady.

Grill Safe ! Gordy

Robert O'Connor_7

Grill.

You can use a smoker box & different wood(s) in a gas grill. I like not having to go and get new LP tanks for starters and keeping a even dialed in flame is also a good thing too. The straw that broke the camels back was one day I was off to my local LP man for my gas fix and he told me the law changed regarding the valves on the tanks and I needed to purchase a new one (You would think I would have known this??!). OK I said, how much? Oh, we don't sell them here but you can go to the orange joint (HD), they sell new ones. Off to HD I went, bought the new one and proceeded back to the LP dude, hand him my brand spankin' new one, in return he hands me one that looked like it had been floated down the mighty Passiac River for a few years, dented, rusty, dirty. I'm through with LP..

Grill On!


Robert O'Connor/NJ

John@Reliable_10

John@Reliable_10

got to love this sign

Edward A. (Ed) Carery

Gas grill

After reading all these posts last night, I fired up the grill and got some great T bones and a good red wine.

Sat on my deck and smelled them cooking while I sipped the wine. Reminded me that we all have to take time to smell the roses, (and the steaks) and appreciate the fact that we are all here and able to enjoy life.

Soooo,
Does anyone have any problems with any good single malt highland Scotches that they need to discuss. I am just a real sucker for inspiration : )

Best regards to all,

Ed Carey

Gordy

Hmmmm

Nothin like a Scottie, and a nice Cuban to savor with it.

Funny, We all know how to enjoy life........its just doing it!

Heres to the ones that can, and more so to the ones that can't....Salute !!

Sweet_2

Oh how I enjoy a fine Scottish brew

here's to a fine Ale at the end of a hard day, lets all take the time to enjoy the small stuff, Cheers.

Sweet_2

This weekend my better half and I

are going to try the Coca-Cola thing, I imagine the acidity will make a fine tenderizer.

Bob Harper

NG grill set up

Since the BTU firing rate is determined by the orifice and manifold pressure, connecting a grill straight to the house without an intervening regulator will cause wide, unpredictable fluctuations in pressure and therefore the firing rate as the house is used. Regardless of what a mfr states, I'd install a regulator immediately upstream of the appliance with a Z21.15 shutoff immediately upstream of the reg. per codes. Also, demand any advice from a mfr to be in writing and be sure to document the date, time, first and last names of who you spoke with and their title.

Ed, that pic looks like another case for you!

I like one or two pints of Guinness in us along with a ribeye, some portobello mushrooms and roasted peppers and some fresh Eye-talian bread! I tried that Scotch thing at school and never could acquire a taste for it. Maybe that's because we couldn't afford good single malt.There again, it was probably because we were unsophisticated **** kids...