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Boiler relocation

we see , the Blueray has been a hot swapper , as well as the 66 and 68 series Weil . If it wasn't for coil gasket leaks , the 68 series would probably last alot longer then they have been . We have hundreds of the 68s on a shelf in the Levitt kitchens . Only taken out maybe 3 or 4 so far , but boy can they be replaced faster than the old hangin' GEs .


  • We actually got to work

    in a new addition . I consider that new construction , which is a rarity for us . The homeonwer added a wing onto the home . The new part of the basement is behind the window above the old Repco .

    You'd think that a home with a tight staircase that makes a quick right turn at the top would be a perfect place for a cellar staircase . Well , the homeowner decided to go the minimum and throw in an egress window instead . While we were handtrucking the new boiler down , she asked us if we knew a good way to get a ping pong table down there ......
  • New addition

    and the new Burnham V84 with Alliance G indirect heater . This is one of those jobs where noone knows who is supposed to connect the exisiting or future heating pipes or wires to the boiler . We'll be going back next week to sort it all out . The 2nd pic is Danny's handiwork , the oil tank . We had the absolute minimum clearance from the tank to the boiler . Even in a nice size adddition , we're always scraping for some more room .
  • lchmb
    lchmb Member Posts: 2,997

    You guy's must have felt a little funny working in all that room!! Nice job per the norm, I alway's enjoy looking at your work. Give's me idea's for install's. Still think you need to move to the country! Have plenty of wide open space for you to work in and a number of big jobs! :)
  • J.C.A._3
    J.C.A._3 Member Posts: 2,981
    Best part of that\"re-location\"....

    The relocation of that Repco POS to the scrap yard! Congratulations Ron. You got a nice start to the weekend by being able to stand upright for most of the day if the need aroze. Don't be getting spoiled now! Chris
  • I forgot to take some pics

    of the staircase , it really was an afterthought by the architect when the home was built . Someone thought ahead by lowering down the new oil tank before they closed in the new addition . Otherwise there was no way to get a good sized tank down there .

    I was born upstate NY , just north of Lake George . After spending most of my life on L.I. , I think the fresh country air , water , and living would kill me . How far away is the nearest 7-11 ? Thanks LCHMB .
  • The only think I love about those Repcos

    is the light weight . And we get some good cashola from the scrap coil inside . Do you see alot of these tin cans up north of here ?

    I hear you about standing upright most of the day . The job before this we pulled a Tall York our from under the stairs without cutting the wall . We also installed the new boiler in the same way . The whole job was done from knee height . What's that new pill thats supposedly good for bad knees ? Thanks alot Chris .
  • J.C.A._3
    J.C.A._3 Member Posts: 2,981

    We were trashing those POS's 15 years ago to the tune of 2 a month. There might be a few left if the owners ever took the service contract and it was properly done every year.

    Steel based and cast iron capped was the one we saw the most of. There were a few wet based ones, but they were few and far between. I lovingly refer to this as the "contractors special". They were cheap to buy and mostly installed extremely poorly to begin with. For the number of units I trashed, I bet the installation manual was read a total of twice. Low firing rates had them stuffed in closets in almost all the condo conversions that were happening in the late 70's and early 80's.(along with white wall to wall carpeting and usually above the first floor level. I don't miss them a bit.

    I didn't think they were that light but I guess they are compared to ...say a G.E.

    Have a nice weekend. I'm the go to guy while Milne is getting his head stuffed with knowledge (and his liver infected with alcohol) this weekend, so I'll be anxiously awaiting the reports from Ken and company.

    How's Kenny doing? Chris
  • clammy
    clammy Member Posts: 3,094
    nice work

    Nice clean lines and the HO must love the indirect it must have been a pleasure to work in that addition basement .Did you guys toss up the rock ?Was this a one day wonder or not peace clammy
    R.A. Calmbacher L.L.C. HVAC
    NJ Master HVAC Lic.
    Mahwah, NJ
    Specializing in steam and hydronic heating
  • Yeah , I think they were

    the boiler of choice around here also in the 60s and 70s . We don't see them often anymore though . The dry based cast was a heavy berler , wasn't it ? I never saw a wet based Repco . What's the most common boiler you replace up there ? Ours is the Federal , with the Blueray a close 2nd . For a builder's special , the Federal did last a good long time .

    Kenny is doing real good , he should be back to work this Monday . Thanks for asking Chris .
  • Speaking of the indirect

    we just wrapped up , everything was out of the basement , and I go upstairs to clear the hot and cold pipes of air and rust in the kitchen sink . I wait and wait for hot water , it only comes out lukewarm . Thinking someone left the aquastat set low , I go downstairs to check it out . Aquastats fine , boiler's running , the tank is at temp ....

    Well , I won't name names , but the hot and cold pipe were reversed . 20 minutes to switch them around and they're basking in unlimited hot water , or so I hope .

    OK you got me , what does toss up the rock mean ?

    Actually we had 2 days for this one . The 1st day me and Sal brought the new boiler down and piped it up . We had the indirect on the job but it came from the supply house with a huge dent in the top . So we brought it back . The 2nd day it was me , Sal , Danny and George came by in the pm . Sal dismantled the old boiler and connected the domestics over there ( oops , the cat's out of the bag ) . I piped the indirect while helping Danny pipe the oil tank . George came by and pumped the oil into the new tank , and he and Danny cut the old one out and humped out the boiler . It was a long day , but they have hot water for the weekend . Thanks alot Clammy
  • J.C.A._3
    J.C.A._3 Member Posts: 2,981
    Around the same time,

    We saw alot of Hydrotherm "pancake" boilers with a steel base also. They were right on par with the Repco. We were also treated to a pile of Repco International steel tube boilers. There are still a few left but most have the horizontal tubes, with at least 1/2 of the spiral baffles missing or removed.In quite a few developments they went with the Repco vertical steel tube boilers. Same scenerio, most are gone and the ones that remain are either missing baffles or baffleless completely.

    The test kit on a pre test shows it immediately. The stack temps. end up somewhere around the 8-900° range if they're gone. We seem to be replacing alot of National Radiator boilers lately. (NRC) They were great boilers when they were popular but very large and usually oversized to the nth degree.Back when I worked for the oil company,between 1997 and 2000, we seemed to be replacing Winkler boilers quite a bit. At an average age of 40 YOA, they also had a great run.

    We are now seeing some W/M 66 series that are starting to leak and fester to replacement. We also see the 68 series once in a while. Both of these boilers are into their 20-30 year range and approaching the end of their usefulness.

    I'm sure you see trends like we do up here. The funny part is that I'm starting to remember installing these things and wonder about my own "usefull lifespan". Chris
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 15,322

    I have been replacing equipment I installed years ago for a few years now. Must be time to quit.

  • gink
    gink Member Posts: 1
    heat exchangers bolted together

    I have a old commercial air handler in the attic. The two heat exchangers, one for the ac evaporator coil and the other for heating the air with hot water from a dedicated boiler, are bolted together. In summer, the heating coil gets nearly as cold as the evaporating coil and water condenses on it about as much. It also has to be a source of heat flowing into the air handler. The water pipes are quite large that feed it, about two inches for the connections, going to one inch and 3/4. Should I try to separate the two exchangers, so that the heating coil does not bring so much heat in, in summer? Or does it not much matter?

    thanks, gink
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