Barn Job Pics WW

Wayco Wayne_2

is in a building being converted from a barn into a house. The owner lives in a farm house by the barn. He owns a Stone Mason business. You'll see in the pics some of their work on the side of the barn. When the barn is done they will move in and gut the house and re-do it, then move back in. I think the long term plan is to have their daughter move into the barn and live next to them. The short term was to keep his men busy during the slow work Winter. The bedrooms are enormous. Munchkin 80M and a Phase 3 Indirect. There will be 2 loops of Buderus panel rads eventually when they get in this week.

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Wayco Wayne_2

Yikes!

How do I make the picture smaller??? WW

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Mark Eatherton1

Is the inside..

finished in stone as well? I was in a home once where there was more brick on the inside than ther was on the outside. One of the most comfy home i've ever been in.

My brother was telling me about a guy he knew that covered all of his baseboard radiation with brick. Said it was making too much noise...Left NO air inlet or outlet holes.

My bro said it was perfectly comfortable in that home!

If this home has stone on the inside, it might take a while to get all that mass charged up:-)

Great work Wayne.

Try using 10" UniStrut steel pipe clamps for your expansion tanks. Works like a CHAMP with uni strut.

ME

Constantin

... like this...

IIRC, you use a PC... check out Irfanview. Works great, easy to learn, and best of all, free. My favorite image editing program on a PC. Simply resize the pic to 500 pixels wide and it'll usually fit into the windows here.

Very nice stone work, BTW. I hope there is a lot of insulation on the other side though, as stone is a pretty lousy insulator. I personally prefer the thermal mass on the inside of the house to increase the flywheel effect... Anyway, I foresee a spectacular Munchkin install, so please keep us posted about your progress.

Wayco Wayne_2

let me try again

with the pics

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clammy

always neat

I must say wayne your work is nice and neat and un complacted excellent but 1 quick question on the munchkin concentrict kit i was told to hve the air inlet y to be pitched upward to help pervent excessive moisture in am i wrong thanks for any info looks great peace and good luck clammy

hr

Nice clean

and simple looking install, keep up the good work.

Who's the plumber? I thought wash machine stand pipe drains need to be between 18 and 30" tall?

hot rod

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Wayco Wayne_2

Thank you Clammy

I had not heard that about the concentric vents. Maybe I should put a drip feg tee at the comb air inlet to the boiler to catch any moisture. WW

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Wayco Wayne_2

The Stone masons

are the plumbers, (and carpenters and roofer...). They are doing everything in the house except the boiler system. Do I need to tell them something? I'm not a plumber (I'm HVAC) so I don't know. Thanks for the encouragement. Simple is always best and not always easy to achieve. Being simple minded helps. :P WW

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Weezbo

I gotta go i HAVE HAD ENOUGH COFFEEZ *~/:)

whews ! Woah ....! Juan Valdez was going to pipe line coffee up here buh the epa caused him way too much grief over it.

Weezbo

now that looks sane*~/:)

the easier it is to work on and the cleaner you can keep the general area the better you feel maintaining things in the area...that looks really simple and straightforward...while i like to think putting a 45 oo sq ft buildings boiler in a space for an intherm forced air closet in black iron with twelve zones is a definite Proof of ones ability to shoehorn a system it is a particular PITA to maintain:) and as you know ya gotta "maintain":)

Weezbo

now that looks sane*~/:)

the easier it is to work on and the cleaner you can keep the general area the better you feel maintaining things in the area...that looks really simple and straightforward...while i like to think putting a 4500 sq ft buildings boiler in a space for an intherm forced air closet ,in black iron ,with twelve zones, is a definite Proof of ones ability to shoehorn a system ,it is a particular PITA to maintain:) and as you know ya gotta "maintain":)...i also would like to suggestyou mention the trap being that high on the wash box isnt going to get it ...not just because it isnt code ..it will overflow on the ground...

John Starcher_4

Not to be picky, but.......

.....is that an upside-down vent tee directly above the washing maching drain connection??

Starch

Dan Foley

Nice looking job, Wayne. Where is it located? See you Thursday. -DF

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EJW

Tee/Standpipe

Good eyes john and hot rod you are both right on. EJW

The Wire Nut

Any problem

with the Kindorf clamps against the copper pipe? What little I know thinks that the only clamps to touch copper is copper or copper clad or plastic...

Scott Gregg

Standpipe

I would be too concerned about the vent tee, but I would definately change the standpipe. There is a good chance of overflow with a short pipe like that.

Otherwise, great looking job!

Wayco Wayne_2

All you plumbers

please fill me in on your comments so I can tell the folks doing the plumbing. Like I said they are stone masons, doing the best the can and I'm fairly sure they would like any direction they can get. About the clamps, they are "Cushion Clamps. The pipe is encased in plastic and then clamped so there is no metal to metal contact. It is also quieter IMHO. I also like my pipes to be comfortable. Mark, the inner walls are framed out for R-19 and won't have any stone on them. Can you imagine the thermal mass if they did? They beefed up the wall insulation from R-13 to R-19, at my request since the boiler was right at its limit, capacity wise and jumping up to a 140M would have been a waste. Now we have a Munchkin 80M running a heat loss of 64,000. Lots of room for modulation. WW

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Wayco Wayne_2

Clammy

I've been thinking about this concentric vent question. If the air intake pipe went up wouldnt the possibility of moisture getting trapped be a possibility?? The vent is sloped 1/4 in per foot back toward the boiler so the condensate on the inner wall of the pipe can travel back to the condensate pump and not create icicles outside, so the air intake would have to follow that slope and create the possibilty of building up water. Whadaya think?

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Rookie

Stone Masons and plumbing

All vents must be tied in 6" above the highest fixture level on the floor.The Tee Wye is upside down will not vent properly.Standpipe for washing machine is too short, check your local codes for proper height.No cleanouts on the drains going into the slab, all waste drains need cleanouts that are accessible.Wayne show us more plumbing pictures maybe we can walk them through the whole job.Don't you need a plumbing license in Maryland, or is there a stone Mason exemption?

EJW

Plumbers

Have the stone masons ask the plumbing inspector questions when he comes to inspect the job so the walls can be closed up. You know, as he's checking there licence numbers. EJW

Darin Cook_3

WW

This sounds like a wise a** remark but it is not meant to be, look in the installation instructions for venting the Munchkin. It says if using a concentric to pipe the intake above the exhaust. Most of the time you just try to get it as high up as you can. Nice neat job on the piping. We really like the phase III indirects. Do you use them as your standard tank? Keep up the nice work.







Darin

Wayco Wayne_2

Thanks Darin

I will check into the Munchkin installation guide. (Real men don't read directions, right?) I want to be informed. I know my forced air furnace calls for it to be down. I'm thinking that since the Munchkin has no device to prevent water from coming into the case of the boiler if it gets sucked into the intake air that turning the intake up could prevent the water from reaching the boiler. However thatmeans you collect water up in the concentric vent in the outer tube. That could be nasty after a while. I'm thinkning of putting a drip leg tee at the entrance of the inlet air and running a vinyl tube loop to my condensate pump from the bottom of that tee cap. . Seems easier to do now that it;'s already in.

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Wayco Wayne_2

Thanks for spelling it out

for me Rocky. I will print this out and give it to them. They are quite remarkable workmen that seem to know a little about a lot. Although they may be over their heads a bit with the plumbing. I know they care and want to do it right. My respect for the plumbing trade, and the knowledge needed to be good, has done nothing but grow with the more I learn. I am an old tin knocker that grew interested in radiant heating and got sucked into this part of the trade. Before, all I knew was the plumber and I, were at times, in competition for space to run ducts and pipes. (All the good GC's know it's ducts first. WW

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hr

Wayne, regarding the plumbing

Most Plumbing codes, at least the UPS had measurements for the trap. As I recall something like 8-12" for the trap above the floor and 18- 30 for the riser pipe.

Your code may vary. The concern with a short stand pipe like the one pictured is the washer may discharge faster than that standpipe will drain.

Fairly simple to cut and lower the tee and increase the stand pipe. May as well fix the upside down tee while they are at it. probably a 1/2 hour job and 10 bucks worth of fittings to make it right.

The san tee upside down will probably work fine, it's a vent not drainage. But if the inspector finds drainage fittings backwards it may be a problem Some inspectors would have you flip that san tee, as they should if they follow the code as written. Good luck to them.

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Paul Pollets

Nice!!

Good work, Wayne. Quality piping.... Why do you need the blocks under the boiler??

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Paul Pollets

could be..

a sump pump connection??

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