water dropletts mixed with dry steam???

Alan(CaliforniaRadiant)Forbes

anything about your near-boiler piping which is where the water could be coming from.

Does your boiler piping look like the attached diagram (courtesy of Steamhead)? The important part is that there should not be a bullhead tee joining the risers to the main.

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John Barba1

where might the water be comming from??

good morning.

NOTE: I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT SEE POST BELOW!!!

well all my heating woes are solved except the noisy baseboard in my den. Ive toiled with this one all winter
and although it heats up it was gurgling water all the time (very noisy).

I now know what the proplem is but how do I solve. there is water droplets traveling with the steam and accumulating in the 3/4" pipe that feeds the base ray and gets very noisy.

I finaly cut the 3/4" pipe just after the 1 1/4" - 3/4" reducer to see what the steam looks like.

the steam is dry but lots of water dropletts are traveling with the steam.

NOTE: this is the only baseboard in the house that is noisy all the others are quiet as a church mouse.

this is a burnham base ray 8' long 2 pipe vented /wet return. its the 2nd horizontal off my main

1) base board has been removed and flushed

2) I piped a new feed from the main aprox 12' 1 1/4 then neck down to 3/4" all my units are piped the same 40' total.

3) installed new return

none of the above helped as I was still producing lots of water .

as a quick fix I piped in a drip line just under the feed of this baseboard and brought it over to the baseboards return line.

doing this removed the water from entering the baseboard but of course I now feed steam in 2 directions (it is heating ) at least its quiet for now though after a while I can hear water gurgling in the pipes under the floor as it gets into the drip.

so

1) could I be developing water where I reduce from 1 1/4 -3/4 my reducing fitting is almost level is only slightly pitched.

seems like im picking up or making water just after the reducer.

2)should I isolate the drip and pipe in a dedicated line to the wet return or even though Im feeding the baseboard on both ends the baseboard is heating all the way across should I leave alone?

the biggest ????? is where the water is being made.

many thanks "John"

John Barba1

close but not the same.

Thanks for the reply,

Im actualy piped the way smith mentions in the install manual.

if the near boiler piping was way off wouldnt I have water in the rest of the baseboads /rads ? everything else is running dry and quiet as Ive checked the other units by breaking open the unions that feed each , all are dry except this one baseboard which spits lots of dropletts though the steam is dry.!

"John"

Alan(CaliforniaRadiant)Forbes

What is the

relationship of the baseboard in the den to the other convectors, i.e. is it below, above, in the middle?



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John Barba1

ALAN you the man !! Got me thinking I may have it!!.

thanks for reply.

I JUST LOVE THIS SITE!!!

There May be Hydronic hope for this Electrician yet!

Alan your Relationship question got me thinking (Thank YOU!!!)


I Do believe I know where the water/condensate is comming from now!!!!!!!

you have me thinking about my layout/ Relationship!!!!!


my system is one pipe rads upstairs two pipe baseboards downstairs.

Thinking about your "realationship question" It Just dawnded on me (while responding) that my problem very well could be the fact that the RISER for the ONE PIPE RADS on the right side of upstairs (3 rads 64 cu ft) comes off the main JUST IN FRONT of the horizontal runout for this base board feed !!


Ill have to see tonight but I sure its within 18" of the dens runout and I know it has NO DRIP. ill bet water is heading back to boiler and getting picked up when it rolls by the dens runout???

my other riser for the upstairs is on the end of the main and I piped in a drip at the begining of winter thus removed all the water hammer in the system.

but YES the riser for the one side of my upstairs has no drip and is very close to the problem baseboard feed.

could I be right on this ??.

again Ill check tonight.

if this is true (I cant think why not) ill have to find some way to drip it as its the original "Dead men" piping (very very tight to the joists ...) not alot of overhead room.



In the meantime should I leave my temp fix alone or should I isolate the drip and return on this baseboard. Bring each to the wet return seperatly??

as mentioned I piped a drip but only brought it to the baseboards return thus heating the baseboard from both ends (it is quiet now for the most part and heats all the way across but from both ends.)

the water still sloshes in the feed pipe (I can hear it entering the drip after awhile (makes perfect sence, when the rads upstairs start condensing??) ,

its not so bad at first but when the system gets nice and hot its noiser under the floor (more condensate)but no water enters the baseboard which was REAL noisy and slow to heat when water was entering it.

actually the baseboard is very quiet now

cant thank you gents enough !!

does it make sence to you folks??

many thanks "John"

Alan(CaliforniaRadiant)Forbes

Gosh

You're a smart guy, John.

Let us know what you find.

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John Barba1

Hi Alan

thanks for the reply.

does what I describe make sence??

If not please advise im all eyes(and here to learn)!

the scenario I descibed didnt even dawn On me untill you asked your last question.

what are your real thoughts is it feasible that the riser is causing all the water as I described?

the suspect riser It feeds 3 rads aprox 64 cubic feet worth of radiation.

inquiring minds want to know

what do you think ??

and honestly thanks for the help!! I may be wrong and if I am dont mind being told.

"John"

Alan(CaliforniaRadiant)Forbes

It makes sense

to me, but I'm not that good with steam.

Maybe MadDog, Steamhead, Noel or some of the others more familiar with steam can chime in.

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Steamhead

Could be

if everything else is right. You can put a "U" seal about five feet deep in that runout drip that goes to the return, so you won't be feeding steam to both sides of the Baseray. Pipe a boiler drain at the bottom of the U and use a hose to fill the U with water, or it will bang until the condensing steam fills it.

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John Barba1

MANY THANKS

hI STEAMHEAD.

THANKS FOR THE REPLY.

Thats pretty much what I did pipe in a U seal ,it works Great!!!!! looks like a Dr suess pipe job at the moment but Ill make it pretty in the spring.

this whole condensate problem is the riser that is not dripped, there is a ton of condensate dropping from the 3 rads it feeds ON THE 2ND FLOOR.

I looked at it this morning and I will be able to drip it but Ill wait untill spring/summer as it will be a bit involved duE to the location of the pipes in relation to the return...

evryone please have a great weekend.

"John"